You owe it to yourself to educate yourself on what is happening

Quote from Joab:


Where is flytiger and why isn't he all over this ?????

Because he is an idiot and doesn't realize the WHOLE country and everything he and you believe in is totally CORRUPT.

Well that and he is a paid shill by Patrick Byrne to promote his idiotic & selfish agenda. As Lenin would call them, a "useful idiot".
 
Money Masters is next on my list. I just have to find 2 hours to watch it. I'm gonna lock the kids in the closet this weekend and have at it :D

Quote from Mecro:

It is a Fractional Reserve system with a central bank that controls the currency.

You need to educate yourself more. Your math is incomplete. What happens to the 900k that gets loaned out, to, let's say, a business. They will deposit that money in a different bank, or even the same bank. It becomes a deposit and gets lended out again.


I like the DebtMoney video but I also think you need to watch Money Masters.

A great read (if you can handle it):
http://mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf

I've read it several times.

There is more literature out there, as there is no real conclusion on the solution. All of it is worth reading.
 
Quote from Mecro:

It is a Fractional Reserve system with a central bank that controls the currency.

You need to educate yourself more. Your math is incomplete. What happens to the 900k that gets loaned out, to, let's say, a business. They will deposit that money in a different bank, or even the same bank. It becomes a deposit and gets lended out again.


I like the DebtMoney video but I also think you need to watch Money Masters.

A great read (if you can handle it):
http://mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf

I've read it several times.

There is more literature out there, as there is no real conclusion on the solution. All of it is worth reading.


I watched Money Masters the other day - full of interesting history. Knowing the history of the system is very useful. Like for example, the goldsmiths and the start of FR banking.

I wish that everyone in the country would watch the video, but with one exception: I would take out any editorial or moralistic opinions, and present the raw facts only. That way, people can come to the conclusion on their own that they're being screwed. If you say to people "You're being screwed", they'll often react like "no I'm not, you must be wrong". But if you present the raw facts to them, they can come to the conclusion "Hey, I'm being screwed!" and they'll really believe it.

I believe people need to realize what's going on, but they need to feel that they came to the realization on their own. Otherwise, they'll be resistant to it.
 
Quote from ProfitTakgFool:

And, this system was created by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. It took 16 short years for it to collapse and The Federal Reserve was blamed for making a bad situation worse when they tightened credit when the shit start hitting the fan. The Fed back then did exactly the right thing because they knew the financial system was built on a house of cards and they were caught with their pants down. They stopped creating debt on top of debt.

How did you come to this conclusion? Whose opinion do you base this assessment on? The Fed was blamed for making a bad situation worse when they tightened credit and most economists since that have studied the era agree with that assessment. Because of the Fed's mistake, what started out as a recession spiralled into a depression that took a decade and the enormous expenditures of a world war to shake off.

You are subscribing to classical economics which was the dominant school of thought from Adam Smith up to the Great Depression. The Great Depression is the reason it was abandoned for a generation and was only able to be resurrected again decades later under Reagan/Thatcher conservatism. Know its weaknesses.



The current Fed is doing the exact opposite. They are trying to fix a debt clogged system with more debt. They are pumping massive amounts of liquidity into the system to try and fix the problem. If the financial system doesn't collapse now it will simply collapse at a later date. The US is on a one way street to financial ruin and very few people understand why.

When arteries are clogged, is that when you take away the oxygen? Isn't that the time you're supposed to supply more?

The Fed is the doing the correct thing. It is pumping more liquidity precisely because the pipes are clogged.
 
Quote from Capablanca:


The Fed is the doing the correct thing. It is pumping more liquidity precisely because the pipes are clogged.

I could prove you wrong, but what's the point, I can't take your blinders off, only you can.

Regardless, within years, you will be forced to face the truth and will have deep regret that you chose not to listen.
 
Sorry for the newbie question: in a part of the 'Money As Debt ' video, there is the animation that shows the principal+interest increasing... increasing.. increasing until covers the whole earth.

Does this mean that a few men (the bankers) will own all the money of the men/women on the earth and so enslaving us -- since the money represents essentially debt of the rest of us?
 
Quote from theboxer:

I would take out any editorial or moralistic opinions, and present the raw facts only.

Yeah, there is a lot of emotion in it. Same in DebtMoney video.

And it's fine. We have an ability To Think (not the same as How To Think), so use it.

The Mises Institute paper is exceptionally good because it points out the legal precedents to fractional reserve banking. That practice used to be fraud and back back in the day, groups & families used to be run out of villages & countries for playing the money game. I would go more into it, but that's a touchy subject, especially here.

It's important to note the different solution offered. Gold versus Silver versus free competitive banking.
 
Quote from Bernard111:

Does this mean that a few men (the bankers) will own all the money of the men/women on the earth and so enslaving us -- since the money represents essentially debt of the rest of us?

Well they certainly don't want to feed the hungry.

Actually, they plan to take a big step further than just enslaving. IMF, Worldbank, Bilderberg group and CFR release some very interesting studies & documents regarding the Population issue.
 
When presenting "just the facts"...
There is a discretionary selection of the set of facts, as well as a general understanding among the population based on the education and mass media of a nation... so therefore "just presenting facts" is not necessarily useful, you need to provide some explanatory structure as well - because sadly people are not equipped with knowledge to understand the "free information", however "unbiased".
 
The first thing you have to realize is the monetary system is a house of cards. If you can't grasp that point then there is no point in continuing. Credit is created from credit, not savings -- that's a bubble. If you agree with that point then we can continue.

The credit bubble burst because too much debt was created from other debt. Now that the bubble has popped the Fed is trying reinflate it with more debt. A system of excessive debt is being fixed with even MORE excessive debt. How can this continue? The Fed of 1929 tightened credit because they new adding more credit to a bubble that was created by excessive credit would make things worse. The Fed is only prolonging the eventual depression and because they are inflating the bubble even more than it currently is the crash will be even harder because the bubble will have more hot air in it.

Just think about this.....today's loan can only be created if yesterday's loan was created and tomorrow's loan can only be created if today's is created, and so on and so on and so on. All those loans are created from absolutely nothing. Where does it end?

Quote from Capablanca:

How did you come to this conclusion? Whose opinion do you base this assessment on? The Fed was blamed for making a bad situation worse when they tightened credit and most economists since that have studied the era agree with that assessment. Because of the Fed's mistake, what started out as a recession spiralled into a depression that took a decade and the enormous expenditures of a world war to shake off.

You are subscribing to classical economics which was the dominant school of thought from Adam Smith up to the Great Depression. The Great Depression is the reason it was abandoned for a generation and was only able to be resurrected again decades later under Reagan/Thatcher conservatism. Know its weaknesses.




When arteries are clogged, is that when you take away the oxygen? Isn't that the time you're supposed to supply more?

The Fed is the doing the correct thing. It is pumping more liquidity precisely because the pipes are clogged.
 
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