You Can't Trade Without A College Degree!!

I essentially dropped out of college my first attempt because I was daytrading OEX options (this was in '95) and I wasn't making it to class. Boy was I glued to my screen (I got tick-by-tick data on an ANSI terminal). Up and down, up and down, It was like crack. I blew up and got a job doing IT stuff and left school with about a year's worth of credits.

A bit later I went back to school in the evenings and took stuff I was interested in: Philosophy, History, Latin, computer science. I ended up with a BA in history and philosophy of science, summa cum laude. It made for some long days and nights. Once in awhile I'd do some highly speculative trades - taking pot shots at gettin' a big stake. Mostly though, my wife and I stuffed money into our 401ks until, surprisingly, we began to feel somewhat financially firm.

Living paycheck-to-paycheck working for someone else sucks, I'd agree.

However, working for someone else, who pays you steadily _and_ having enough money saved up that you don't really worry about losing your job, perhaps 6-9 months of salary, feels pretty good. I'd suspect most of the folks who truly despise employment are working through the former situation.

I estimate the amount of money I'd need in order to not really worry about a job to be about $2M. Until then, maybe I'll diversify into some real estate etc while I continue collecting paychecks. Though the passage is difficult, the farther we trace it - the easier it becomes. When I finish my MBA in a year, I hope I'll be collecting a paycheck or working as a pro trading with some performance attribution. (Incidentally, I'm looking for a trading-related internship this summer - if anyone has some suggestions please PM me).

Kant defined Enlightenment as man's emergence from his self-imposed immaturity. I respect the independent traders who have grabbed life by the balls in that spirit. I'm not personally into taking huge risks when I dont have a clear edge or basis. I've got some informed ideas though, and we'll see what I cook up in the future. One thing's for sure, I'm not going to go "all in" and lose a significant amount of money.

Being a 'tool' for some corporation and a slave to a mortgage until you die isn't the way to go. However, just because someone chooses to be employed does not necessarily make them some kind of drone. They might be a little more in control of their life than you realize.
 
Quote from caementarius:

However, just because someone chooses to be employed does not necessarily make them some kind of drone. They might be a little more in control of their life than you realize.

How does it feel to be a minority??? As the case with everything, there are exceptions to the rule.
 
Quote from tradestrong:

and you've made your case. You aren't making any money. Thanks for your fruitful insight. Keep giving others "trading" and "life" advice when you yourself aren't even making money.

You're being a dumbass about this tradestrong. Icarus is a very intelligent poster...save the venom for those who deserve it.
 
Quote from Icarus5:

Now see that's exactly what I mean.

Investors focus on trade entry ... and 90% of the vendors out there try to sell traders on that paradigm.

But good trading is all about leverage, risk management and discipline.

Thanks for allowing me to point that out.

Yep, worlds apart. :)

I

You nailed it.
 
Quote from youngtrader:

This is such a bias question in the first place guys. I mean you have that one guy who said the whole market is going efficient and the more quant stratagies you have the better you are. He said that 90% of trading is black box and modeling. He said the days of a street hungary kid going on to make millions is over.

I would wagor that he won't be trading within 5 years. With that kind of attitude he is royally screwed! The markets are efficient in "our" minds. What really makes a market efficent? Last time I checked it was when supply and demand for that particular product was equal. That will never happen because there isn't a set equation that makes the markets efficient. There isn't a set goal that makes the markets efficient. It is all determined by the way people think. Some think its overbought some think its oversold. They may use black box/quant stratagies to determine whether "they" think its overbought or oversold. They may be using the "feel" of the market to determine overbought/oversold. They may use any combination of technicals or fundmentals to also determine fair value. In the end its all just an opinion. There is no sound scientific way to get markets efficient.

I remember when I was talking to my high school guidence counceler. We were getting in a roundup over something but I can't remember what it was about. Anyway he told me something that I will remember always. He said "Brogan, you probably know more about investments than anybody in this building but there is one thing you don't have that we have, a college degree which you are going to need to work in investments."

I will never forget what he said to me. He is a measily little worm who thinks hes hot shit because he has a degree that says he can slave away in a school building for the rest of his life helping little shits like me and earning around $40,000 a year. I will never let that happen to me......ever. The world is brainwashed by the fancy words the colleges have given you like phd's, ivy league, scholorships, etc. The average human being is suppose to be the smartest thing on this planet. From my experience they have to be some of the stupidest most nieve critters I have ever seen. They are sheep. They do whatever anybody else wants them to do. They are easily manipulated and can be easily fed lies. The true key is to harness that weakness and use it to your advantage.

AWESOME POST MAN!
 
Seriously, people in here actually enjoy the "freedom" they have of not working for other people? Yea right, clearly this thread is not about getting a degree or not, it’s about the complexities of those who argue against a degree. Sadly, people in this forum still feel inferior to their upper mgnt. and instead choose to opt out to - wow, live on their own!

Working for other people?, um yea. Others and I are actually preparing for, eventually THEIR positions which are higher in the chain. Please, what "freedom" do those of you enjoy when you… have little to no money? Trading your own money could only earn so much, as opposed to handling large accounts, which you won’t get anywhere near less you have earned a college or higher degree.

Please, kids go to school and do not think you know everything just yet, actually pay attention in Bio, His, and especially Math as well as other areas. You might learn something. :eek:
 
Quote from vastox:

Seriously, people in here actually enjoy the "freedom" they have of not working for other people? Yea right, clearly this thread is not about getting a degree or not, it’s about the complexities of those who argue against a degree. Sadly, people in this forum still feel inferior to their upper mgnt. and instead choose to opt out to - wow, live on their own!

Working for other people?, um yea. Others and I are actually preparing for, eventually THEIR positions which are higher in the chain. Please, what "freedom" do those of you enjoy when you… have little to no money? Trading your own money could only earn so much, as opposed to handling large accounts, which you won’t get anywhere near less you have earned a college or higher degree.

Please, kids go to school and do not think you know everything just yet, actually pay attention in Bio, His, and especially Math as well as other areas. You might learn something. :eek:

Opinions vary. Glad you enjoy answering to someone else for your paycheck, no matter how high up you go.
 
Quote from youngtrader:
I remember when I was talking to my high school guidence counceler. We were getting in a roundup over something but I can't remember what it was about. Anyway he told me something that I will remember always. He said "Brogan, you probably know more about investments than anybody in this building but there is one thing you don't have that we have, a college degree which you are going to need to work in investments."
Wouldn't this have motivated you even more?
 
Quote from Reaver:

AWESOME POST MAN!


Thanks Reaver. This is honestly what I feel! Im not trying to put down a college education but I know that it isn't going to make a hell of a lot of difference in my life.

I though you said you were in the military? What part of the military? My dad was an army ranger and went to Vietnam.
 
Quote from ark:

Wouldn't this have motivated you even more?


Motivate me? Yeah it sure did......To bust my ass and show him I didn't need his college degree to get ahead in life. Not to brag but im already making a little over half what he makes in a year and im a teenager!!! He is like so many others in this world who never take any risks. I have always been on the prawl for ways to make money. I am in the hog business,grain farming business and dabble in a little bit of real estate. And to think that most of my friends in school work at the grocery store or are lifeguards at the swimming pool! The point is you have to take risks to get ahead in life. You have to have the mentality that you ARE NOT going to settle for second best. Remember 2nd place is a 1st place loser!

Im not dissing a college degree at all but just stating that it is not for everyone and it does not mean instant success in life. I will get my college degree but as far as putting it to any real use in life I highly doubt it.
 
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