You can tell how free a country is by how treasonous this statement sounds.

ARealGannTrader · Jul 2, 2009

U say that because ur a spoiled American who hasn't been anywhere. And, no, Europe/Canada/Australia doesn't count.

A king is not elected, and answers to no one.

If u don't like it, that's just too bad, and u better not get caught raising too much hell about it either.

U take much too much for granted.

Spoiled brats is what most of u r.

Scataphagos · Jul 3, 2009

Quote from ARealGannTrader:

This is done in this country through election. The founders could not vote out of office King George.

We have revolutions every four years. U were on the short end of it, now ur upset.

The good news is that u get another crack at revolution in four more years

There r the rules of the nation, and anyone who tries to breaks those rules through violence or the threat of violence is a domestic terrorist.

We do not have a "revolution" ever 4 years. We have a sham election process to appease the masses.

It's not a matter of "someone" acting through violence or demonstration.

The political system has protected itself to such a degree that a normal political process will never unseat them.... only revolution will succeed. And then, only if and when 100 million Americans get on the same page about it. Highly unlikely in any of our lifetimes, sadly. America as we know it will cease to exist before the average citizen understands the evil.

And as for "my being on the short end and am now upset".... I've been "on the short end" of elections all of my adult life. Bush or Obama... Repubs or Dems... they're all shit in my eyes.

ARealGannTrader · Jul 3, 2009

Quote from Scataphagos:

We do not have a "revolution" ever 4 years. We have a sham election process to appease the masses.

It's not a matter of "someone" acting through violence or demonstration.

The political system has protected itself to such a degree that a normal political process will never unseat them.... only revolution will succeed. And then, only if and when 100 million Americans get on the same page about it. Highly unlikely in any of our lifetimes, sadly.

And as for "my being on the short end and am now upset".... I've been "on the short end" of elections all of my adult life. Bush or Obama... Repubs or Dems... they're all shit in my eyes.

Fair enough. Can't really argue that.

One question tho. If u know ur looking at two sides of the same coin, why do u get upset?

If u study statecraft then u know where we really are.

Why does it bother u?

Americans actively participated in their fate, this is what they wanted.

Americans want a nanny state

We r chock full of lawyers cause everyone is looking for that payday so they can sit back and do less than they're doing now.

The people have spoken.

If ur into good political satire, check out, On Democracy-H.L. Mencken.

Scataphagos · Jul 3, 2009

Quote from ARealGannTrader:

Americans actively participated in their fate, this is what they wanted....

It's as though a percentage of Americans have endorsed the Obama and Liberal cult.

Normally, cult members only impact themselves... mostly bad, but that's their business.

The Obama cult impacts the rest of us badly too... WE didn't vote for it, yet we'll be hosed by it just the same.

I never wanted a Liberal, "ever more powerful and invasive government with it's head so far up my ass I can taste the Brylcreem"... but that's what I'll be forced to endure.

ARealGannTrader · Jul 3, 2009

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

why are you guys sitting around whining about this ?! sitting around for 8 years of bush was pretty intense, now this guy is going to do god knows what with the rest of his time, why are you guys still sitting in the USSA?? wtf? why haven't you LEFT?! do you just like sitting around and whining like little bitches? yes, it sucks. yes, it's fucked up. yes, there's a good chance it's going to get alot worse... so go somewhere else!

I think most Americans can sense that there is really no place to go. Where is there a place that the IRS cannot reach in the first, and most of the second world?

To belabor this point, California, USA ,started the practice of subprime mortagages. A small town north of the arctic circle has no money.

If America falls, the power vacuum will b so large, that our world will b fundamentally different, if we survive it all.

That's the truth of it.

Free Thinker · Jul 3, 2009

Quote from peilthetraveler:

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson said this. But can you imagine any man today saying to take up arms against the US government today? It would be considered treason to say such a thing.

i swear some of you redneck winers remind me of these guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IWm1Mjd71M&feature=channel

TraderZones · Jul 3, 2009

Quote from 88888accountant:

I wasn't aware you could get to guantanamo bay by train?

Yes, Guantanamo, filled with gentle people who only wanted to blow up others who disagreed with them.

Compared with Treblinka or Auschwitz, filled with those dangerous gypsies, Jews and other non-Aryans, who had the nerve to do things like work at bakeries, farms, crafts and such things that endangered the fatherland.

AlpineTrout · Jul 3, 2009

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

i think what keeps most americans in america is the myth of american supremacy.... most of them still believe that they live in the best, most free place in the world, with the highest standard of living on the planet, and that they "are so lucky" and, although it has it's flaws, it's still better than anywhere else... these are all comically false beliefs, but the majority of americans believe them all the same...

Please name a few countries.

aegis · Jul 3, 2009

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

why are you guys sitting around whining about this ?! sitting around for 8 years of bush was pretty intense, now this guy is going to do god knows what with the rest of his time, why are you guys still sitting in the USSA?? wtf? why haven't you LEFT?! do you just like sitting around and whining like little bitches? yes, it sucks. yes, it's fucked up. yes, there's a good chance it's going to get alot worse... so go somewhere else!

Where do you live?

I've been seriously considering expatriating for the last couple of years. I had New Zealand in mind, but I don't believe their situation is much different than the rest of the first-world's situation. High cost of living, high taxes in some areas, and somewhat limited opportunity.

I'll be finishing my masters degree soon (accountancy), and I already meet the education requirements for CPA eligibility in most states, so I'm still looking for a country where I can utilize my degree to find a job. I'm not comfortable enough with trading yet to rely on it solely for my income. I also have an interest in real estate investing or development, so cheap land would be nice.

Thunderdog · Jul 3, 2009

Quote from peilthetraveler:

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson said this. But can you imagine any man today saying to take up arms against the US government today? It would be considered treason to say such a thing.

Quick, go find a flag to wrap yourself in and I'll get the duct tape. Step lively!