Yes men?

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whitster

A constant canard of the left is that bush only surrounds himself with yes men, and only tolerates opinions that he wants to hear.

also often heard is that the right wing is monolithic in its stance towards bushco policies. any cursory glance at NRO, etc. proves that false. there is vigorous debate and dissent with bush, just like any president, as to policies, etc.

a propos... tony snow is being anticipated as the new press secretary. tony snow is a very smart guy and i enjoy his radio show but he is hardly a kneejerk bush supporter. here's some recent tony snow quotes...

Bush has “lost control of the federal budget and cannot resist the temptation to stop raiding the public fisc.” [3/17/06]
"George W. Bush and his colleagues have become not merely the custodians of the largest government in the history of humankind, but also exponents of its vigorous expansion.” [3/17/06]

President Bush distilled the essence of his presidency in this year’s State of the Union Address: brilliant foreign policy and listless domestic policy.” [2/3/06]

"George Bush has become something of an embarrassment.” [11/11/05]

Bush “has a habit of singing from the Political Correctness hymnal.” [10/7/05]

“No president has looked this impotent this long when it comes to defending presidential powers and prerogatives.” [9/30/05]

Bush “has given the impression that [he] is more eager to please than lead, and that political opponents can get their way if they simply dig in their heels and behave like petulant trust-fund brats, demanding money and favor — now!” [9/30/05]
 
So let me get this straight...

Your position is that if/when Tony Snow becomes the WH Press mouthpiece that his boss Bush is no less of a jackass with misguided policies and a failed presidency?

Or...

Is it ...

....That it's somehow more virtuous that some press hack who has called the President, “an embarrassment”....”impotent” .....”singing from the Political Correctness Hymnal”.....and ..."more eager to please than lead.” Is now going to stand there in frront of the White House podium and try to convince America and the World that his heretofore unfortunate statements about Dubya were....a) a hallucination.... b) a complete misrepresentation by the media ......or c) taken out of context all together…


Priceless
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LMOA
 
not at all. your reading comprehension sux.

my point is that those on the right (and in the bush admin) are no more thoughtless yes men, than dems and those on the left were thoughtless yes men for clinton

neither claim is the case. one claim was made by (wrongly) many in the right wing

another claim was made (wrongly) by many in the left wing

neither is true. both are excellent examples of how partisanship and ideology skews reality
 
fwiw, it's ironic that he calls me a dittohead

1) i am prochoice
2) i am pro decriminalization of mj
3) i am pro medical marijuana
4) i voted for clinton
5) etc.

not exactly rush limbaugh'esque

not that the facts ever invade zzz's bigoted rhetoric
 
Quote from whitster:

fwiw, it's ironic that he calls me a dittohead

1) i am prochoice
2) i am pro decriminalization of mj
3) i am pro medical marijuana
4) i voted for clinton
5) etc.

not exactly rush limbaugh'esque

not that the facts ever invade zzz's bigoted rhetoric
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Yes, it is a universal truth that trolls avoid facts like the plague.
 
Rush Limbaugh typical caller:

"Mega dittos Rush."

Quote from whitster:

zzz, the bigot - chimes in yet again with another contentless ad hominem

how typical of a bigot
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Fascinating.

The topic was Yes men, wasn't it?

Is there a better example of Yes men, than the DITTOHEADS?

For some reason you took the comment as directed at you personally.

How bloody odd.....

Quote from whitster:

fwiw, it's ironic that he calls me a dittohead

1) i am prochoice
2) i am pro decriminalization of mj
3) i am pro medical marijuana
4) i voted for clinton
5) etc.

not exactly rush limbaugh'esque

not that the facts ever invade zzz's bigoted rhetoric
More...
 
Snow has hardly been a bona-fide critic of Bush. Snow supports the military initiative in Iraq and lauds Bush on the administration's foreign policy. Snow feels strongly and I'd add rightly, that Bush is too nice of a guy. Because of his eager to placate demeanor he's has failed to reign in Congress on domestic spending. IMO, Bush has a hard time, as do most pols, in saying no.

Need a few zillion in Africa for AIDS? You got it.
Need to re-build New Orleans into a Vegas? Done.
You poor people came across the border trying to earn dignity and a working wage? You can stay.

Except for Iraq, Bush has made no hard decisions. And clearly he has failed completely to articulate his agenda and sell it, to the majority of American's.

Personally I think Bush has done a good job. The tax cuts along with Greenspan's massive liquidity pump helped avert a MAJOR crisis post tech collapse-Enron-MCI-9/11. And while I never viewed Saddam as an-arch enemy I did view him as a strategic enemy. No doubt that Iran feels some less than usual pro-American emotions about the U.S. in knowing that we toppled a Sunni majority that was oppressing the Shia. While Bin-Laden and the uniformed may accuse Bush/Blair/Howard of launching genocide against Islam, the Middle East knows the truth. Bush has bit of pro-Muslim in him.

As far as immigration, it's not like the issue is new. At least the Administration and Congress are finally tackling the problem in a humane, practical manner.
 
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