Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

[themickey]

Continues....

........Physical torture
Until 1999, "moderate physical pressure" was permitted in the interrogation of suspects by the Israeli Shin Bet, as outlined in the Landau Commission report of 1987.[46] B'Tselem drew up a list of alleged interrogation methods that includes: "depriving the interrogee of sleep for a number of days by binding him or her in painful positions; playing loud music; covering their head with a filthy sack; exposing the interrogee to extreme heat and cold; tying them to a low chair, tilting forward; tightly cuffing the interrogee's hands; having the interrogee stand, hands tied and drawn upwards; having the interrogee lie on his back on a high stool with his body arched backwards; forcing the interrogee to crouch on his toes with his hands tied behind him; violent shaking of the detainee, the interrogator grasping and shaking him; using threats and curses, and feeding him poor-quality and insufficient amounts of food."[102]

In 1997, the United Nations Committee Against Torture stated that such methods constituted torture and were in breach of the United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, a convention ratified by Israel in 1991.[46] In September 1999, Israel's High Court ruled that the Israeli Security Agency (ISA) does not have legal authority to use physical means of interrogation that are not "reasonable and fair" and cause the detainee to suffer. While the court noted that a reasonable interrogation is likely to cause discomfort and put pressure on the detainee, this is lawful only if "it is a 'side effect' inherent to the interrogation," and not aimed at tiring out or "breaking" the detainee as an end in itself.[103]

 

[vanzandt]

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........Physical torture
Until 1999, "moderate physical pressure" was permitted in the interrogation of suspects by the Israeli Shin Bet, as outlined in the Landau Commission report of 1987.[46] B'Tselem drew up a list of alleged interrogation methods that includes: "depriving the interrogee of sleep for a number of days by binding him or her in painful positions; playing loud music; covering their head with a filthy sack; exposing the interrogee to extreme heat and cold; tying them to a low chair, tilting forward; tightly cuffing the interrogee's hands; having the interrogee stand, hands tied and drawn upwards; having the interrogee lie on his back on a high stool with his body arched backwards; forcing the interrogee to crouch on his toes with his hands tied behind him; violent shaking of the detainee, the interrogator grasping and shaking him; using threats and curses, and feeding him poor-quality and insufficient amounts of food."[102]

In 1997, the United Nations Committee Against Torture stated that such methods constituted torture and were in breach of the United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, a convention ratified by Israel in 1991.[46] In September 1999, Israel's High Court ruled that the Israeli Security Agency (ISA) does not have legal authority to use physical means of interrogation that are not "reasonable and fair" and cause the detainee to suffer. While the court noted that a reasonable interrogation is likely to cause discomfort and put pressure on the detainee, this is lawful only if "it is a 'side effect' inherent to the interrogation," and not aimed at tiring out or "breaking" the detainee as an end in itself.[103]

Loud music and dirty bags over their head? Sounds pretty civil compared to getting burned alive in a cage or watching your child's head getting chopped off with a dull knife don't ya think?

 

[themickey]

Loud music and dirty bags over their head? Sounds pretty civil compared to getting burned alive in a cage or watching your child's head getting chopped off with a dull knife don't ya think?

Yeah but ask yourself, Americans, christians, jews, the west are meant to be leading by a good example.
The 'missionary west' in order to convert the 'uneducated infidels' should draw others to democracy and decency by example.
You don't do it by torture, mistreatment, land stealing, displacement, forever refugee camps, and bombing civilians.
Try and get this to sink in, the bible and torah which our society seems to revere, are meant to be about decency, we should live by those standards and use it as a shining light.
What is going on in Gaza, considering it's Israel with American support is doing the opposite.
How the fuck is it going to be possible to win respect in the neighbourhood going about the opposite of decency?

Israel and America like bullying and brutality to get their message through.
America never learns a lesson about its wars.
I would imagine because the money trade of war is too profitable.
The next step will be nuclear war, I can't imagine too many winners.
The jesus freak mob of idiots will probably welcome it as "jesus the fraud will return".

 

[gwb-trading]

He saved the life of Hamas’s leader. Then they murdered his nephew
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/20/middleeast/israeli-dentist-hamas-yahya-sinwar-intl/index.html

Bitton pictured with his nephew Tamir Adar, who was murdered on October 7th.

 

[vanzandt]

Yeah but ask yourself, Americans, christians, jews, the west are meant to be leading by a good example.
The 'missionary west' in order to convert the 'uneducated infidels' should draw others to democracy and decency by example.
You don't do it by torture, mistreatment, land stealing, displacement, forever refugee camps, and bombing civilians.
Try and get this to sink in, the bible and torah which our society seems to revere, are meant to be about decency, we should live by those standards and use it as a shining light.
What is going on in Gaza, considering it's Israel with American support is doing the opposite.
How the fuck is it going to be possible to win respect in the neighbourhood going about the opposite of decency?

Israel and America like bullying and brutality to get their message through.
America never learns a lesson about its wars.
I would imagine because the money trade of war is too profitable.
The next step will be nuclear war, I can't imagine too many winners.
The jesus freak mob of idiots will probably welcome it as "jesus the fraud will return".

Mick, I am not well versed enough in the history of Israel to get down in the weeds and debate the play by play action of the last 7-1/2 decades with the level of expertise that would be required for such a debate. And admit it, you probably don't sport that level of expertise either. Or maybe you do. Beats me.

But when you say "land grab"... Israel is no bigger than our state of Georgia. Or NY. Or IL. What are they "land-grabbing?" And I admit I could do a search for this, but are they "land grabbing" beyond the borders that were established in 1948? I'm being honest, I have no idea. Not because it's not important, but because I was just never compelled or interested enough to follow what goes on over there. Was Gaza included as a Palestinian state within those borders? If so, then yeah, if Israel is breaching a line on a map, then the counter-party has a right to be pissed.

But with that said, I do disagree with several of your points. Bombing civilians? Well, that's been happening in times of war for a very long time. Is it right? No, of course not. Has the Western World created rules to prevent it? Yes. Does Hamas or Hezbollah abide by those rules? NO! So what is Israel supposed to do? Play by the rules and endure never ending attacks that kill their innocents... or say f it and fight on the terms that are being dictated by the murderers?

Ask yourself this Mick... if you had a daughter that you knew was being tortured and raped... and you caught the brother of the man that was holding your daughter and you knew he knew where she was... and wouldn't tell you... what would you do? I know what I'd do. I'd torture the mother fucker until he came clean. This is the war these pigs have defined. They need to all be exterminated.

 

[themickey]

Mick, I am not well versed enough in the history of Israel to get down in the weeds and debate the play by play action of the last 7-1/2 decades with the level of expertise that would be required for such a debate. And admit it, you probably don't sport that level of expertise either. Or maybe you do. Beats me.

But when you say "land grab"... Israel is no bigger than our state of Georgia. Or NY. Or IL. What are they "land-grabbing?" And I admit I could do a search for this, but are they "land grabbing" beyond the borders that were established in 1948? I'm being honest, I have no idea. Not because it's not important, but because I was just never compelled or interested enough to follow what goes on over there. Was Gaza included as a Palestinian state within those borders? If so, then yeah, if Israel is breaching a line on a map, then the counter-party has a right to be pissed.

But with that said, I do disagree with several of your points. Bombing civilians? Well, that's been happening in times of war for a very long time. Is it right? No, of course not. Has the Western World created rules to prevent it? Yes. Does Hamas or Hezbollah abide by those rules? NO! So what is Israel supposed to do? Play by the rules and endure never ending attacks that kill their innocents... or say f it and fight on the terms that are being dictated by the murderers?

Ask yourself this Mick... if you had a daughter that you knew was being tortured and raped... and you caught the brother of the man that was holding your daughter and you knew he knew where she was... and wouldn't tell you... what would you do? I know what I'd do. I'd torture the mother fucker until he came clean. This is the war these pigs have defined. They need to all be exterminated.

The big problem Vanzy, is our governments and media and churches - basically the majority of our society have been conditioned to believe a myth, that Israel is something special.
So we have biased beliefs and lean heavily in one direction.

Land grabbing you ask?
It began in 1948 and continues today.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

So we had:
1948 Arab–Israeli War (November 1947 – July 1949)
Palestinian Fedayeen insurgency (1950s–1960s)
Suez Crisis (October 1956)
Six-Day War (June 1967)
War of Attrition (1967–1970)
Yom Kippur War (October 1973)
Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon (1971–1982)
1982 Lebanon War (1982) –
South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000)
First Intifada (1987–1993) –
Second Intifada (2000–2005) –
2006 Lebanon War (summer 2006)
Gaza War or Operation Cast Lead (December 2008 – January 2009)
2012 Israeli operation in the Gaza Strip or Operation Pillar of Defense (November 2012)
2014 Gaza War or Operation Protective Edge (July–August 2014)
Syrian Civil War and the Iran–Israel conflict during the Syrian civil war.
2021 Israel–Palestine crisis or Operation Guardian of the Walls (May 2021) –
Israel–Hamas war (October 2023 – present). Operation Swords of Iron

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel

 

[themickey]

Ask yourself this Mick... if you had a daughter that you knew was being tortured and raped... and you caught the brother of the man that was holding your daughter and you knew he knew where she was... and wouldn't tell you... what would you do? I know what I'd do. I'd torture the mother fucker until he came clean. This is the war these pigs have defined. They need to all be exterminated.

Ask yourself this Vanzy if you lived in a town or village and had a reputation with the locals for being a difficult dysfunctional family, you would in all likelihood attract trouble to your own doorstep.
This may sound contraversial and it probably is; what was the REAL reason the Germans in the 1930's 1940's persecuted the Jews so violently, they were treated like vermin.
Now I know the Jews weren't alone, also there were gypsies, Poles, Jehovah Witnesses and Soviet POW's, but the Jews copped the brunt of it imo.
I'd like to know the underlying reason Jews were specially targeted, it may have something to do with Jews being the moneylenders and charging high usury at the time and became scapegoats for Germany's economic problems. I don't really know and possibly the real reason has been swept beneath the carpet.

 

[themickey]

US said to promise Israel full support if war erupts
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-airstrike-kills-top-hamas-operative-deep-inside-lebanon/

..........Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s senior aides, National Security Adviser Tzachi Hangebi and Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer, met with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and other top officials this week to discuss the potential for war in Lebanon.

According to CNN American officials promised Israel would get the full military assistance it needs for war against Hezbollah if it erupts, while noting no US troops would be deployed on the ground.


(Left to right) Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and National Security Council chairman Tzachi Hanegbi at the State Department in Washington on March 7, 2023. (Antony Blinken/Twitter)

So far, the skirmishes on the border have resulted in 10 civilian deaths on the Israeli side, as well as the deaths of 15 IDF soldiers and reservists. There have also been several attacks from Syria, without any injuries.

Tens of thousands of Israelis have been displaced from their homes for over eight months.

Hezbollah has named 349 members who have been killed by Israel during the ongoing skirmishes, mostly in Lebanon but some also in Syria. In Lebanon, another 63 operatives from other terror groups, a Lebanese soldier, and dozens of civilians have been killed.

 

[themickey]

US said to promise Israel full support if war erupts

Never say "No" to a war.

 

[themickey]

‘The only person I can trust is myself’: Women explain rush to buy guns after Oct 7

Civilian carrying firearms have multiplied with encouragement from far-right minister; some feminist groups say the trend is worrying and will encourage violence

By AFP and ToI Staff Today, 6:09 pm

A picture taken on May 23, 2024, shows Limor Gonen practicing with a gun at a shooting range in the Israeli settlement of Ariel in the West Bank (MENAHEM KAHANA / AFP)

With many Israelis gripped by a sense of insecurity following Hamas’s unprecedented October 7 attack, the number of women applying for gun permits has soared, while feminist groups have criticized the rush to arms.

According to security ministry data, there have been 42,000 applications by women for gun permits since the attack, with 18,000 approved, more than tripling the number of pre-war licenses held by women.

The surge has been enabled by the loosening of gun laws under the government and its far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir.

More than 15,000 women civilians now own a firearm in Israel and the West Bank, with 10,000 enrolled in mandatory training, according to the ministry.

“I would have never thought of buying a weapon or getting a permit, but since October 7, things changed a little bit,” political science professor Limor Gonen told AFP during a weapons handling class at a shooting range in the West Bank settlement of Ariel.

The October 7 attack that triggered the war resulted in the deaths of some 1,200 people in Israel, mostly civilians. Israel’s subsequent offensive has killed at least 37,000 people in Gaza, according to Hamas, in figures that cannot be independently verified. Israel says it has killed some 15,000 terror operatives in battle.


A picture taken on May 23, 2024, shows Limor Gonen being shown how to use a handgun at a shooting range in the Israeli settlement of Ariel in the West Bank. (MENAHEM KAHANA / AFP)

“We were all targeted [on October 7] and I don’t want to be taken by surprise, so I’m trying to defend myself,” Gonen said after the class, an obligatory step for acquiring a permit.

While the immediate trigger for the surge in gun buying was the Hamas attack, Ben Gvir was already pledging to reform firearms legislation when he became security minister in late 2022.

He promised to raise the number of civilians holding weapons and “increase self-defense capacity.”

Under Ben Gvir, the process for getting a gun license has been sped up, with Hebrew media reporting that in the immediate aftermath of the Hamas attack the authorities were often clearing hundreds of permits per day.


Otzma Yehudit party leader National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir leads a faction meeting at the Knesset, in Jerusalem, on June 3, 2024. (Chaim Goldberg/Flash90)

Eligibility criteria for gun ownership in Israel now include being a citizen or permanent resident over the age of 18, having a basic command of Hebrew and medical clearance.

In March, Ben Gvir, who is himself a settler in the West Bank, hailed civilian weapon ownership passing the 100,000 mark, while showing off his own gun at a rally.

But his rush to put deadly arms into the hands of ordinary Israelis has drawn criticism, too.

The Gun Free Kitchen Tables Coalition, an Israeli initiative founded by feminist activists, condemned the civilian arms race.


A picture taken on the June 10, 2024, shows a woman with a handgun in the waist of her jeans as she speaks on her mobile phone while walking through the Mahane Yehuda market in Jerusalem. (MENAHEM KAHANA / AFP)

It is “a strategy of far-right settlers to consider the arming of women to be a feminist act,” a spokesperson for the group of 18 organizations told AFP.

“The increase of weapons in the civilian space leads to an increase in violence and murder against women. It’s time for the state to understand that individual safety is its responsibility.”

Community manager Yahel Reznik, 24, said she now felt “a lot more safe” in Ariel, which sits three kilometers north of the Palestinian town of Salfit.

“Thanks to my training I will be able to defend myself and protect others” from an attack, she told AFP.

The surge in gun ownership is not limited to West Bank settlers. In the Israeli coastal city of Netanya, just north of Tel Aviv, Corine Nissim said she never leaves home without her gun.

The 42-year-old English teacher walked her three children to the park with a 9mm Smith & Wesson sticking out the back of her trousers.


A picture taken on May 23, 2024, shows Yahel Reznik being instructed on how to fire a handgun at a shooting range in the Israeli settlement of Ariel in the West Bank. (MENAHEM KAHANA / AFP)

“After October 7, I think like most people in Israel, I realized that the only person I can trust is myself,” she told AFP, adding she bought a gun not to feel “helpless.”

“The worst scenario that was going through my head was that, of course, terrorists attack me and my family in our own house,” the mother said.

Her decision to own a gun initially surprised some in the seaside town known for its tranquility and safety, she said.

“People watched me and said, ‘This is so surreal to see you like this with a gun and with the baby,'” said Nissim.

But, she said, others started to agree with her and said they would follow suit.

“Many women told me: ‘I’m going to do it. I’m going to get a gun as well.'”