Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

That was so nice of Hamas to release hostages they took while murdering civilians...If the world can condemn Israels military actions why is Israel blamed for Hamas not freeing hostages...I can turn on the TV and find a rally to save Palestinians from genocide but only Israel is repeatedly asking to bring them home...
I never said it was "nice of Hamas", just that better tactics other than bombing civilians exist. There is absolutely nothing public pressure will do to move Hamas so I see zero point in discussing why no one's rallying for hostage release.....most Palestinian protesters advocate for their release if you asked them.

You can hate Israels government and military but dont let it cloud your judgment on the 1200 civilians killed and 250 taken hostage. It is not a contest to root for the side with more dead. Many in the world who feel that you can hate on Bibi all you want are turned off by the world that on Oct 8th suddenly tried to justify the massacre before Israel took one step.
I offered sympathies when this happened, that's all I can do. I don't have a time machine to go back and prevent it, nobody does. The best we can do is speak out against our financial support of the conflict to prevent present and future deaths, that's it. I find it ridiculous that Americans have to weigh Israeli deaths on the same balance as present and future Palestinian lives. I expected (and dreaded) Israel to respond w/a heavy hand when it happened but it's gone beyond the pale.

My compassion for the citizens of Gaza soured the minute the collective world indicated those civilians on Oct 7th had it coming. Sounds like the same justification people used for Americans dying on 9/11 that was so offensive to people. It is not whataboutism it is that a child's murder is world crumbling no matter what.
It's a shame that you'd let your perception of the outrage of what Israel's doing getting in the way of your compassion. That's a you problem, don't project it onto others.

I dont know any Palestinians directly but anyone with a heart can see the suffering they are and have been going through. I do know people who had families on the kibbutzes and my university posted about 2 classmates who one was kidnapped and one was killed and when I read their stories they said the world forgot about them and stopped caring.
I don't know any Palestinians either, and got a few Jewish pals. I reached out to two whom I've stayed in contact when Oct7 happened. One confirmed for me that he had no family involved but knew a few going out in the counterattack, driving tanks and whatnot. The other, we've had our back and forth on this issue. I expressed (don't remember here) that it's a shame how Israel's own actions have made them a pariah, how they went from "occupiers" to "victims" to "credibly accused of genocide" in short order. I've expressed how Bibis own actions are spurring antisemitic sentiment worldwide. I have shown how little he cares for the hostages on here. I don't know what else to say other than yes, saving innocent lives has a higher moral standing than mourning the dead.

Israel was brought before the ICJ but Hamas is seen as patriots in the Middle East ..freedom fighters. So Palestinian children dont deserve to die for the actions of their political and military leaders but Israeli citizens do and apparently so do Jews everywhere?
Not only brought before the ICJ but stands accused of plausibly committing a genocide pending review. What, the world is wrong then and only zionists are right? You've got respect for US law and its courts right, why is the ICJ suddenly partisan/political?

Biden is a murderer...what is the leader of Hamas who actually did something? Jews and Arabs been killing each other since before the Christian era and made worse by post WW2 colonialism.
I haven't accused Biden of being a murderer but sure as hell is crossing into the "genocide" enabler camp for me.

A Palestinian friend has challenged me as to why I remained quiet on social media defending Palestinians....as though posting makes you so important. I asked her why was she so quiet on Oct 8th...

Apathy overall is still more peaceful than selected outrage as though one is a saint for taking the easy road to march.
I thought you didn't know any Palestinians?

This BS of "why so quiet on oct 8th" needs to stop. Americans are self absorbed. A single day tragedy barely blips their radar....a 4 month massacre will get on everyone's radar. No one's going to take to the streets for what's happened on a day on a foreign country. They will take to the streets for what's happening and will happen in a foreign country, simple as that.

I disagree completely that sitting it out in apathy is more "peaceful (whatever that means)" than "selective outrage". I honestly don't know how anyone wouldn't be outraged and apathetic at what's happening over there.
 
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Yeah, Hamas demanding that Israel release all the terrorists held in prison -- including the most violent ones -- plus demanding that Hamas remain in place to rule Gaza is simply not going to be accepted by Israel.

Note that the international coalition provided two proposals in the past week or so which included a two month ceasefire, exchanging hostages & some prisoners, and allowing the Hamas leadership to leave Gaza. Hamas rejected these proposals.

Now Israel will push into Rafah to eliminate the remainder of the Hamas terrorists. Hardly a good situation due to all the Palestinian civilians taking refugee in Rafah creating a crowded situation with food, water and medical issues for civilians. However Hamas is solely responsible for this humanitarian crisis.

Netanyahu rejects Hamas' Gaza cease-fire demands, says troops will push into Rafah
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel...amas-gaza-cease-fire-says-pushing-into-rafah/
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The head of UNRWA admits that Hamas and UNRWA are one and the same.

'“Our employees are part of the social fabric in Gaza and its ecosystem. And as part of the social fabric in Gaza, you also have Hamas,” alluding to the organizations' connections to terror group Hamas.....blah blah blah.....'

Who are Israeli settlers, and why do they live on Palestinian lands?
As many as 700,000 Israeli settlers are living illegally in the occupied West Bank as settler violence surges.


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Published On 6 Nov 2023
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...ers-and-why-do-they-live-on-palestinian-lands

Since Israel unleashed its brutal bombing campaign in Gaza on October 7 in the wake of a deadly Hamas attack, settler attacks against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem have more than doubled from an average of three to eight incidents a day, according to the United Nations.

The spike in settler attacks have forced hundreds of Palestinians to flee their homes in the past three weeks amid the Israeli bombardment of Gaza that has killed more than 9,500 people.

Who are the settlers?
Settlers are Israeli citizens who live on private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem. The vast majority of the settlements have been built either entirely or partially on private Palestinian land.

More than 700,000 settlers – 10 percent of Israel’s nearly 7 million population – now live in 150 settlements and 128 outposts dotting the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.

A settlement is authorised by the Israeli government while an outpost is built without government authorisation. Outposts can range from a small shanty of a few people to a community of up to 400 people.

Some of the settlers move to the occupied territories for religious reasons while others are drawn by a relatively lower cost of living and financial incentives offered by the government. Ultraorthodox Jews form one-third of all settlers.

A plurality of Israeli Jews who live in the West Bank say that the construction of settlements improves the security of the country, according to the Pew Research Center. The argument is that settlements act as a buffer for Israel’s national security as they restrict the movement of Palestinians and undermine the viability of a Palestinian state. However, some on the Israeli left argue that the settlement expansion hurts the two-state solution and thereby Israel’s own prospects for peace.

When were the first settlements built?
Israel started building settlements just after capturing the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza Strip in the June 1967 Six-Day War.

In September 1967, the Etzion Bloc in Hebron was the first settlement built in the occupied West Bank. The settlement now hosts 40,000 people.

Kfar Etzion, one of the oldest settlements, houses around 1,000 people while the largest – Modi’in Illit – has around 82,000 settlers, most of them ultraorthodox Jews.

Successive Israeli governments have pursued this policy leading to a rise in settler population in the occupied territories.

About 40 percent of the occupied West Bank land is now controlled by settlements. These settlements — along with a vast network of checkpoints for Palestinians — effectively separate the Palestinian parts of the West Bank from each other, making the prospect of a future contiguous state almost impossible, according to critics.

The first Jewish settlement in Palestine goes back to the early 20th century when Jews facing widespread discrimination, religious persecution and pogroms in Europe started to arrive. Back then Palestine – which was still under British colonial control – was overwhelmingly Arab with a tiny Jewish minority.

Tel Aviv, Israel’s largest city, was built as a settlement in the suburb of the Arab city of Jaffa in 1909.

The mass migration of Jews to Palestine triggered an Arab uprising. But in the ensuing violence, the well-armed Zionist militias ethnically cleansed 750,000 Palestinians in 1948. Palestinians call their expulsion the Nakba, which is Arabic for catastrophe.

Are settlers backed by the government?
The Israeli government has openly funded and built settlements for Jews to live there.

The Israeli authorities give its settlers in the West Bank some 20 million shekels ($5m) a year to monitor, report and restrict Palestinian construction in Area C, which is over 60 percent of the West Bank. The money is used to hire inspectors and buy drones, aerial imagery, tablets and vehicles among other things.

On April 4, Israeli authorities asked to double that amount in the state budget, to 40 million shekels ($10m).

Over the past few years, the Israeli army has been operating a hotline it calls War Room C, for settlers to call and report Palestinian construction in Area C.

Several Israeli laws enable settlers to seize Palestinian land:

After the signing of the 1993 Oslo Accords with the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), the Israeli government officially stopped building new settlements but the existing settlements continued to grow.

The settlement population in the West Bank and East Jerusalem grew from approximately 250,000 in 1993 to nearly 700,000 in September this year.

But in 2017, Israel formally announced the start of new settlements.

Prime Minister Netanyahu – Israel’s longest-serving prime minister – has bolstered settlement expansions since he first came to power in 1996.

There are also Israeli “nongovernmental” organisations that work to evict Palestinians from their land using loopholes in the land laws.

Israeli authorities also regularly seize and demolish Palestinian properties citing the lack of Israeli-issued building permits and land documents.

But international rights groups say acquiring an Israeli building permit is nearly impossible.

Are Israeli settlements legal under international law?
No. All settlements and outposts are considered illegal under international laws as they violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, which bans an occupying power from transferring its population to the area it occupies.

Settlements, activists say, are enclaves of Israeli sovereignty that have fragmented the occupied West Bank, and any future Palestinian state would look like a series of tiny, unconnected South Africa’s former Bantustans, or black-only townships.

The United Nations has condemned them through multiple resolutions and votes. In 2016, a United Nations Security Council resolution said settlements had “no legal validity”.

But the US, Israel’s closest ally, has provided diplomatic cover over the years. Washington has consistently used its veto power at the UN to protect Israel from diplomatic censure.

Israel authorises and encourages settlements. Though it deems outposts as illegal under its laws, Israel has in recent years retrospectively legalised several outposts.

More than 9,000 settlers withdrew from Gaza in 2005 when Israel dismantled settlements as a part of a “disengagement” plan by former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

How does Israel keep control of the West Bank?
Israel has built a wall or Separation Barrier that stretches for more than 700km (435 miles) through the West Bank restricting movement of more than 3 million Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem. But Israel says the wall is for security purposes.

Palestinian farmers need to apply for permits to access their own land. These permits need to be renewed repeatedly and can also be denied or revoked without explanation.

For instance, about 270 of the entire 291 hectares that belong to the Palestinian village of Wadi Fukin near Bethlehem are designated as Area C, which is under Israeli control. About 60 percent of the occupied West Bank falls under Area C.

Besides the separation wall, over 700 road obstacles are placed across the West Bank including 140 checkpoints. About 70,000 Palestinians with Israeli work permits cross these checkpoints in their daily commute.

Palestinians cannot move freely between the occupied West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza, and require permits to do so.

Rights groups such as Human Rights Watch and B’Tselem have concluded that Israeli policies and laws used to dominate Palestinian people can be described as “apartheid“.

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Has settler violence spiked in recent weeks?
Yes. Settlers have carried 241 attacks in the West Bank forcing around 1,000 Palestinians to flee their homes as Israel has continued its relentless bombardment of Gaza, since October 7.

“Settlers have been committing crimes in the occupied West Bank well before October 7. It is as though, however, they got a green light after October 7 to carry out more crimes,” Ghassan Daghlas, a Palestinian Authority official monitoring settler activity told Al Jazeera.

On October 28, a Palestinian farmer harvesting olives was shot dead by settlers in the occupied West Bank city of Nablus. “We are now during the olive harvest season – people have not been able to reach 60 percent of olive trees in the Nablus area because of settler attacks,” said Daghlas.

Bedouin village of Wadi as-Seeq village in the occupied West Bank was emptied out of its 200 residents on October 12 following threats from settlers.

The current violence comes as last year saw record settler violence, rising from an average of three to seven incidents a day, according to the United Nations.

In recent years settlers have increasingly been trying to pray at the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound raising Palestinian concerns that they want to encroach upon Islam’s third holiest site. Jewish prayers are not allowed as per “status quo” governing the Al-Aqsa.

Three days before Hamas carried out a deadly attack inside Israel, settlers stormed the mosque compound. In 2021, Israeli police stormed the mosque compound to facilitate the entry of settlers, triggering a deadly conflict.

In February, far-right settlers went on a rampage in the West Bank town of Huwara torching dozens of houses and cars. Following the violence, Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich called for Huwara to be “wiped out”.

Israeli settler violence has displaced more than 1,100 Palestinians in the occupied West Bank since 2022, according to a UN report released in September 2023.

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And because the jewish documents are corrupt, the end result is extreme violence.

If the jewish documents were pure, godly, the end result would be peace and harmony between people.


Matthew 7:15-20 New King James Version
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
 
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