Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

Released hostages say that every Palestinian civilian they encountered were directly complicit in the hostage taking.

Gazan 'Civilians' Involved in Every Stage of Hamas Hostage Scheme, Freed Israelis Say
https://freebeacon.com/national-sec...amas-hostage-scheme-released-israelis-reveal/

Israeli women and children have in recent weeks begun speaking publicly about what they experienced during nearly two months in Hamas captivity late last year.


In primetime Hebrew TV interviews, the released hostages have confirmed that ordinary Gazans were deeply complicit in every stage of the hostage scheme. Unarmed teens helped to abduct Jews from their homes on Oct. 7, while Gazan women and children held some of the Israelis captive. In other cases, Gazan doctors collaborated with Hamas terrorists to covertly treat kidnapped Israelis and imprison them in hospitals.

When the Israelis encountered Gazans on the streets, the results were often terrifying.

The revelations underscore the urgency of Israel's 100-plus-day war to destroy Hamas and bring home the 132 hostages who, officials believe, remain captive in Gaza. At the same time, though, the released hostages' accounts indicate how difficult it could be to extricate either the remaining hostages or Hamas from a radicalized population.

"The main issue is that the organization is very much melted into the social structure of Gaza," Michael Milshtein, a former senior Israeli military intelligence officer and a leading expert on Hamas, told the Washington Free Beacon. "There is no way you can really know who is Hamas. Someone might have a grocery store where he sells tomatoes and water, but he might also have storehouse of weapons and give religious lessons there."

And his wife and kids might be keeping an Israeli hostage at home.

"Hamas is not only a political matter in Gaza. It's a way of life," Milshtein said. "We can and should ruin Hamas militarily and change the political arena in Gaza. But ultimately the Gazan people will have to do some soul searching. And here in the Arab world, not only the Palestinians, soul searching is very rare."

Abduction

On Israel's Channel 12 news earlier this month, Nili Margalit, 41, recounted how Gazan "civilians, regular people" took her hostage at knifepoint on Oct. 7. Margalit said a "boy … 17, maybe 18 years old" and an "older man with the knife" broke down the door of her home in Kibbutz Nir Oz and forced her into a stolen golf cart, still barefoot and wearing pajamas.

As they exited the kibbutz, Margalit said, she saw a "mob, thousands of people," including "women and children," pouring across Israel's breached border with Gaza, less than two miles away. She said a pair of boys, one "no more than 4 or 5 years old" and the other 15 or 16, were riding an ATV that belonged to her father, a local cattle breeder who was among about 1,200 people in Israel murdered by terrorists that day.

After Margalit's abductors crossed into Gaza, they transferred her to a blood-stained car along with another Nir Oz resident, Tamar Metzger, 78, who was "very injured," Margalit said. The Gazans then drove to a warehouse, where they "sold" the Israelis to Hamas terrorists, according to Margalit.

For the next 49 days, Hamas held Margalit and Metzger in its network of underground tunnels along with dozens of other captives. Both women were among 105 hostages, 80 of them Israeli women and children, freed during a weeklong truce deal between Israel and Hamas at the end of November.

While Margalit was the first released hostage to publicly confirm that Gazan civilians abducted Israelis on Oct. 7, eyewitnesses, footage, and other evidence have indicated the phenomenon was relatively widespread. As the Free Beacon reported, a mob of mostly unarmed Gazans, including children and women, followed Hamas into Nir Oz and other Israeli communities on that day and participated in the professional terrorists' atrocities.

Roni Krivoi, a 25-year-old Israeli taken hostage from the Supernova music festival in southern Israel on Oct. 7, was recaptured by ordinary Gazans after he escaped captivity for several days, his aunt told Israel's Kan public radio station following his release in November.

Gazan "civilians" were also responsible for the abduction of Margalit Moses, 78, from Nir Oz on Oct. 7, Irit Lahav, an unofficial spokeswoman for the kibbutz, told the Free Beacon this week. Moses and Krivoi declined through representatives to be interviewed.

Detention

A number of the Israeli women and children freed by Hamas said in interviews with Channel 12 last month that they spent part of their captivity in family homes, hospitals, and other civilian sites in Gaza.

Mia Schem, who was shot in the arm and abducted by Hamas terrorists from the Supernova rave on Oct. 7, said her captors brought her directly to a hospital in Gaza as she was bleeding to death. The surgeon who operated on her arm "looked at me and said, 'You’re not going home alive,'" she recalled.

After the procedure, Schem received no further treatment of even pain medication, she said. She was taken to a family home, where a man and his family held her captive with "pure hate," Schem said, forbidding her to speak, cry, or move. She would go days without receiving food and was never allowed to bathe.

"[The man's] wife hated the fact that he and I were in the same room. She hated it. So she'd taunt me," Schem said, recounting how the woman would insult her appearance and bring the man food "but nothing for me."

"The children would open the door look at me, talk about me, laugh at me," Schem said. "One time, the son enters the room with a bag of candy. He opens the bag and gives his father candy, then comes over to me, opens the bag, closes it, and leaves. You know, pure evil."

"I experienced hell. Everyone there are terrorists," Schem said in a separate interview on Israel's Channel 13. "There are no innocent civilians, not one."

Schem said she spent the final days of her 54-day captivity in Hamas's underground tunnels.

Doron Katz Asher, 34, said terrorists took her and her daughters, 5 and 2, from her mother's house in Nir Oz to a family home in Gaza on Oct. 7. Her mother was killed on the way. For 16 days, a Gazan woman and her daughters traded shifts watching Katz Asher and her daughters "24/7," she said.

After that, the family was sent, at night and disguised in traditional Muslim clothing, to a nearby hospital, where they were sealed in a room with a half-dozen other captives for more than a month, Katz Asher said. There were no mattresses, food was inconsistent, and using a toilet required permission from the captors.

"Constant fear" was how Katz Asher described the 49 days of captivity: "fear that maybe because my daughters are crying and are making some noise, [the terrorists will] get some directive from above to take them, to do something to them."

Chen Goldstein-Almog, 48, said Hamas terrorists moved her and her three youngest children, 17, 11, and 9, between different homes, the tunnels, a school, and a grocery store in Gaza. She also told the New York Times that they were held in a mosque. The family walked from location to location at night, wearing hijabs to hide their identity.

Goldstein-Almog's 17-year-old daughter, Agam, said that during their stay at the school, "a sweet lady welcomed us and offered us water and arranged a place for us to sleep."

"I turned to my mother and said, 'There are good people in the world,'" Agam recalled. "And five minutes later, they shot a barrage of rockets from the school [into Israel] and everyone was shouting, 'Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar,' and I told her, 'Forget what I said, they're all the same.'"

In the tunnels, Agam and her mother said they met young women who had been abused by their captors, echoing multiple other accounts.

"Some still had bloody gunshot wounds that had been left untreated in makeshift bandages. One had a dismembered limb," Agam elaborated in an essay for the Free Press published on Tuesday. "I heard from them accounts of terrifying and grotesque sexual abuse, often at gunpoint."

One day, the family heard on the radio that the father and eldest daughter had been killed on Oct. 7 in their homes in Kfar Aza, a kibbutz 15 miles north of Nir Oz, also near the Gaza border.

"We will never forgive and we will never show any kind of empathy towards these people," Agam said. "If we previously believed that there was a chance for peace, we've lost all faith in these people, especially after we were there and among the population."

Ofelia Roitman, 77, of Nir Oz said that she was held captive by a Gazan couple, a technician and a nurse, who locked her in a room of their apartment alone for 46 days. The couple kept her window closed so that she could not tell day from night and fed her small portions of pita bread and rice.

"The situation with the food was like the Holocaust," even as the couple appeared to eat well, she said.

Roitman said she heard and felt rockets being launched directly underneath the apartment building. People in the street would erupt in celebration.

"I heard the cheers, a party outside near the market," she said. "When the rockets hit Tel Aviv or Beersheba, they applauded. … They were so joyful."

Roitman was taken to several Gazan doctors to treat a gunshot wound she sustained during her abduction, and she spent her final week in Gaza in a hospital with other hostages, she said. The first doctor Roitman saw, in an underground tunnel, at first refused to treat her, saying, "I'm not treating a Jew."

As Israel has waged war on Hamas, it has uncovered numerous examples of Hamas apparently hiding terrorist operations behind civilian infrastructure, including homes, hospitals, and schools. Israel has also found evidence that Gazan medical personnel work for Hamas and that the terrorist group is holding hostages in hospitals. Hamas has denied the allegations.

Coming and going

According to many of the released Israeli hostages who have told their stories, their captors repeatedly warned them that their lives would be at risk if they were discovered by ordinary Gazans. The crowds that gathered as the Israelis entered and left Gaza seemed to confirm those warnings.

Sharon Aloni Cunio, 34, recalled how she and her twin 3-year-old daughters were mobbed on Oct. 7 as terrorists brought them into Gaza on a tractor from their home in Nir Oz.

"We cross the border, and I say to myself, God help us, we're in Gaza. People start beating everyone who was sitting on the tractor—just beating us, from all sides. It was horrific," she said. "You don't know if [the terrorists] intend to take you hostage or to lynch you in front of the mob."

Maya Regev, 21, who was shot at the Supernova rave and abducted along with her brother, said their captors "paraded us in Gaza … screaming, 'Allahu Akbar!'"

"I'm with my head down," Regev said. "Someone pulls me backward by the hair, holding me like that so people could see my face."

Yaffa Adar, an 85-year-old Holocaust survivor whose abduction from Nir Oz on Oct. 7 appears to have involved ordinary Gazans, said that when she arrived in Gaza, there were "people all around, lots of them, spitting, yelling—not pleasant." The Free Beacon could not reach Adar for comment.

Katz Asher described a similar scene as Hamas handed her and her daughters over to the Red Cross on Nov. 24.

"As soon as the Red Cross jeeps arrived, the Arab street was on us," she said. "Hundreds of people gathered in seconds, banging on the cars. It was the first time [five-year-old daughter] Raz told me, after I protected her for a month and a half, it was the first time Raz told me, 'Mom, I'm scared.'"

what a dehumanizing load of hasbara:

Israel: "Hamas are terrorists, they use civilian infrastructure and hold Palestinians under their brutal thumb"

Also Israel: "Look at these terrorists using civilian infrastructure and making civilians do their bidding, they're all guilty!"

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Released hostages say that every Palestinian civilian they encountered were directly complicit in the hostage taking.
LMAO, @gwb-trading hates Trump and everything he stands for then quotes an article from a rightwing news site to justify his pro jewish beliefs.

Michael Goldfarb (political writer)

For American journalist Michael Goldfarb, author of Ahmad's War, Ahmad's Peace, see Michael Goldfarb (author and journalist).
Michael L. Goldfarb (born June 6, 1980) is an American conservative[1] political writer. He was contributing editor for The Weekly Standard[2] and was a research associate at the Project for the New American Century.[3] During the 2008 presidential race he served as John McCain's deputy communications director.[4] He is a founder of the online conservative magazine The Washington Free Beacon.[1] Goldfarb attracted some online attention for two posts ridiculing liberal bloggers as basement-dwelling Dungeons & Dragons players.[5]

Goldfarb graduated with an A.B. in history from Princeton University in 2002 after completing a 98-page-long senior thesis, titled "The Search for Stability in Afghanistan: The Lessons of State Building in Afghan History," under the supervision of Stephen Kotkin.[6][7]

In an article titled "A Conservative Provocateur, Using a Blowtorch as His Pen," The New York Times called Goldfarb "an all-around anti-liberal provocateur" and said he "has blazed a trail in the new era of campaign finance, in which loosened restrictions have flooded the political world with cash for a whole new array of organizations that operate outside the traditional bounds of the parties."[8]
Accusation of antisemitism against Obama
As a blogger and deputy communications director for the McCain presidential campaign, Goldfarb told CNN, "The point is that Barack Obama has a long track record of being around anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, and anti-American rhetoric."[9]

Asked to be specific, Goldfarb named Rashid Khalidi, a Columbia University professor who once held a fundraiser for Obama, but then refused to cite anyone else. Blogger Andrew Sullivan wrote on The Daily Dish, "Asked to name one other anti-Semite other than his allegation about Rashid Khalidi, he can't. He won't. But he leaves it hanging, refusing to disown or retract the charge. This is pure McCarthyism. And it is the rotten core of McCain."[10] Goldfarb later explained that the McCain campaign had decided not to make mention of Obama's relationship with Jeremiah Wright, who has a long history of such rhetoric.[11]
WIKI
 
LMAO, @gwb-trading hates Trump and everything he stands for then quotes an article from a rightwing news site to justify his pro jewish beliefs.

Michael Goldfarb (political writer)

For American journalist Michael Goldfarb, author of Ahmad's War, Ahmad's Peace, see Michael Goldfarb (author and journalist).
Michael L. Goldfarb (born June 6, 1980) is an American conservative[1] political writer. He was contributing editor for The Weekly Standard[2] and was a research associate at the Project for the New American Century.[3] During the 2008 presidential race he served as John McCain's deputy communications director.[4] He is a founder of the online conservative magazine The Washington Free Beacon.[1] Goldfarb attracted some online attention for two posts ridiculing liberal bloggers as basement-dwelling Dungeons & Dragons players.[5]

Goldfarb graduated with an A.B. in history from Princeton University in 2002 after completing a 98-page-long senior thesis, titled "The Search for Stability in Afghanistan: The Lessons of State Building in Afghan History," under the supervision of Stephen Kotkin.[6][7]

In an article titled "A Conservative Provocateur, Using a Blowtorch as His Pen," The New York Times called Goldfarb "an all-around anti-liberal provocateur" and said he "has blazed a trail in the new era of campaign finance, in which loosened restrictions have flooded the political world with cash for a whole new array of organizations that operate outside the traditional bounds of the parties."[8]
Accusation of antisemitism against Obama
As a blogger and deputy communications director for the McCain presidential campaign, Goldfarb told CNN, "The point is that Barack Obama has a long track record of being around anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, and anti-American rhetoric."[9]

Asked to be specific, Goldfarb named Rashid Khalidi, a Columbia University professor who once held a fundraiser for Obama, but then refused to cite anyone else. Blogger Andrew Sullivan wrote on The Daily Dish, "Asked to name one other anti-Semite other than his allegation about Rashid Khalidi, he can't. He won't. But he leaves it hanging, refusing to disown or retract the charge. This is pure McCarthyism. And it is the rotten core of McCain."[10] Goldfarb later explained that the McCain campaign had decided not to make mention of Obama's relationship with Jeremiah Wright, who has a long history of such rhetoric.[11]
WIKI

Just look at the impartiality of the author. Pure objective journalism:

https://freebeacon.com/author/andrew-tobin/
 
It's very possible Palestinians aided Hamas in this war, Israelis appear to hate Palestinians and vice versa.
The situation is now out of control and the current bombing response from Netanyahu is not helping the situation.

I like to think of it this way, who has the most power and money?
Whoever that is, should attempt to lead a good example of political neighbourly love.

US fuels the conflict. Israel allows their settlers to harass Palestinians.
Israel subject Palestinians to Apartheid.

Bombing the shit out of Gaza wont solve problems.
Israel believes if Hamas are totally erradicated then Palestinians will somehow see eye to eye with Israel.
Ahhhhh, what Israel like to ignore is them stealing land.
Maybe Israel thinks they can solve the problem by getting rid of Hamas, Palestinians, land owned by others.

Me thinks Israelis have this sense of entitlement aided by the likes of Biden and Trump who are pro Israel owning everything.
 
It's very possible Palestinians aided Hamas in this war, Israelis appear to hate Palestinians and vice versa.
The situation is now out of control and the current bombing response from Netanyahu is not helping the situation.

I like to think of it this way, who has the most power and money?
Whoever that is, should attempt to lead a good example of political neighbourly love.

US fuels the conflict. Israel allows their settlers to harass Palestinians.
Israel subject Palestinians to Apartheid.

Bombing the shit out of Gaza wont solve problems.
Israel believes if Hamas are totally erradicated then Palestinians will somehow see eye to eye with Israel.
Ahhhhh, what Israel like to ignore is them stealing land.
Maybe Israel thinks they can solve the problem by getting rid of Hamas, Palestinians, land owned by others.

Me thinks Israelis have this sense of entitlement aided by the likes of Biden and Trump who are pro Israel owning everything.

The region will never move forward w/o Israel acknowledging the history of the region and how their country came to be. This defacto, universally held state-sanctioned "Palestinians aren't a thing and they hate us for being Jewish" delusion in Israel just highlights the irony of seeing Palestinians as "brain washed".

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It's very possible Palestinians aided Hamas in this war, Israelis appear to hate Palestinians and vice versa.
The situation is now out of control and the current bombing response from Netanyahu is not helping the situation.

I like to think of it this way, who has the most power and money?
Whoever that is, should attempt to lead a good example of political neighbourly love.

US fuels the conflict. Israel allows their settlers to harass Palestinians.
Israel subject Palestinians to Apartheid.

Bombing the shit out of Gaza wont solve problems.
Israel believes if Hamas are totally erradicated then Palestinians will somehow see eye to eye with Israel.
Ahhhhh, what Israel like to ignore is them stealing land.
Maybe Israel thinks they can solve the problem by getting rid of Hamas, Palestinians, land owned by others.

Me thinks Israelis have this sense of entitlement aided by the likes of Biden and Trump who are pro Israel owning everything.

As I have outlined previously, step 1 in solving this problem is totally eliminating Hamas as a military and governing entity in Gaza. Only after this is done can there be any consideration of "peace", a "path forward" or "two-state solution".

It is certain that even with Hamas eliminated -- most of the Palestinians in Gaza will not be friendly to Israel after most of their homes have been bombed out of existence in the battle.

Only a clear vision of a path forward with re-building Gaza, a two-state solution and international aid will ease the situation and provide traction towards peace.

Unfortunately most of Netanyahu's right-wing coalition does not want a two-state solution. It appears they simply want to remove the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank. All this will do is ensure conflict for decades to come. A more moderate Israeli government will need to be put in place post-war for any reasonable progress towards peace.
 
It is certain that even with Hamas eliminated -- most of the Palestinians in Gaza will not be friendly to Israel after most of their homes have been bombed out of existence in the battle.

well, at least he admits to the indiscriminate haphazard bombing now. Baby steps. Maybe some day he'll connect the dots that leveling gaza "until no hamas is left", was the feature not the bug.
 
As I have outlined previously, step 1 in solving this problem is totally eliminating Hamas as a military and governing entity in Gaza. Only after this is done can there be any consideration of "peace", a "path forward" or "two-state solution".
Yah, magic! Easy! Logical! (not).
Mate, the underlying problem is power, greed, deceit all under the guise of "we're the nice guys, we're being attacked, we are right, we're religous and pious but because we're so godly we have enemies out to get us".
The Jewish/christian faith revolves around God and the devil, anything which does not conform to what the believers want is evil and has to be destroyed.
That cycle will go on and on, no political outcome will resolve it imo.
Because of the power and influence Israel yields, one day they'll control all of Palestinian land imo, that is unless another Middle East country doesn't destroy Israel first.
 
As I have outlined previously, step 1 in solving this problem is totally eliminating Hamas as a military and governing entity in Gaza. Only after this is done can there be any consideration of "peace", a "path forward" or "two-state solution".

It is certain that even with Hamas eliminated -- most of the Palestinians in Gaza will not be friendly to Israel after most of their homes have been bombed out of existence in the battle.

Only a clear vision of a path forward with re-building Gaza, a two-state solution and international aid will ease the situation and provide traction towards peace.

Unfortunately most of Netanyahu's right-wing coalition does not want a two-state solution. It appears they simply want to remove the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank. All this will do is ensure conflict for decades to come. A more moderate Israeli government will need to be put in place post-war for any reasonable progress towards peace.

As expected -- Netanyahu comes out against having a two-state solution. This simply means that Israel's future after the war will involve endless terrorist attacks if his right-wing coalition stays on this course.

Netanyahu says he has told US he opposes Palestinian state in any postwar scenario
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-01-18-2024-73d552c6e73e0dc3783a0a11b2b5f67d
 
Let's take an in-depth look at what is going on in the Israeli government -- and the probability that Netanyahu and his right-wing coalition will be out of power after the war.

The Benjamin Netanyahu era is over, sources in Likud say
If the Likud will no longer be the ruling party in a future election, nearly all of its current 18 ministers (not including Netanyahu) will be relegated to serve as opposition MKs.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-782778#google_vignette

While the Likud's ministers and Knesset members (MKs) are projecting a united front in support of party leader Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, a growing number of them believe that his days at the party's helm are numbered, sources in the party said to the Jerusalem Post.

In addition to the catastrophic events of October 7 and a growing sense amongst the party's base that the prime minister will not deliver on his promise to destroy Hamas and return all hostages, MKs have noted the party's poor performance in most polls – between 16 and 18 seats, compared to its current 32.

If the Likud will no longer be the ruling party in a future election, nearly all of its current 18 ministers (not including Netanyahu) will be relegated to serve as opposition MKs – and most of its current MKs will be out of a job. Therefore, behind the scenes MKs have begun to gravitate toward possible successors, including Economy Minister Nir Barkat, Foreign Minister Yisrael Katz, Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee Chairman Yuli Edelstein, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, and others, according to two sources, who spoke to the Post on condition of anonymity.

In fact, the plurality of potential successors is partly responsible for the fact that Netanyahu is still prime minister. Knesset protocol enables a procedure called a "constructive no-confidence vote," where, instead of dispersing itself and heading to an election, a majority of the Knesset's 120 members vote to institute a new government. National Unity and opposition parties Yesh Atid and Yisrael Beytenu would presumably support such a move – but their combined 42 seats would require at least 19 MKs from the Likud. The plurality of successors in the Likud and the failure to rally behind a single candidate mean that the votes don't add up. Even if one of the potential successors managed to create a significant following within the party, 19 MKs is still unrealistically high, a source explained.

That leaves an election, which requires 61 MKs to vote in favor of the Knesset dispersing. The opposition currently numbers 56, and therefore it would be necessary for five MKs from the Likud to vote to topple the government, a more realistic number. Potential candidates are ministers Gallant, Edelstein, and Intelligence Minister Gila Gamliel, as well as MKs David Bitan, Eli Dallal, Galit Distal-Atbaryan, possibly Tally Gotliv, and others.

Rather than crowning a successor from the Likud, however, such a move essentially brings down a Likud-led government - and therefore could be a step too far for the Likud's base. This leads to a Catch-22 situation, whereby the five who vote to topple the government may no longer be welcome in the Likud – and may even join National Unity leader Benny Gantz in the next election.

Why has no one challenged Netanyahu?
In addition, no one in the Likud wants to be the first to challenge Netanyahu publicly during wartime, a source said, and therefore the timing of any political move, as well as a possible way out of the Catch-22, depends on two factors – Gantz, and protestors.

Gantz has said that his party will remain in the government only as long as it feels it is relevant in the war's decision-making processes. The central decision shortly is whether or not to open another front on the Northern border – and Gantz wants to be part of that decision. However, should a northern front be avoided or Gantz decide that he is no longer relevant, his leaving the government would likely serve as a gong to signal that the political fight is on. That, coupled with an expected wave of mass protests, could be enough for five Likud MKs to move against Netanyahu – perhaps without having to give up their seats.

Another scenario, a source said, is that Netanyahu himself precedes the wave of protests by calling for an election himself – thereby avoiding the momentum that such a wave could create for his rivals.

In any case, several sources said they believed that a political eruption is closer to the surface than it seems, with one even estimating that it would happen in between two weeks to two months.
 
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