Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

[themickey]

https://c.newsnow.com/A/1201405730?-12743:38137
Watch the video at this link....

US weapons expert debunks Israel’s denial of Gaza hospital strike
Speaking to MEMO, weapons expert and US Army veteran Dylan Griffith challenged Israel's claim that it was a Palestinian 'misfired rocket' and not the Israeli military that struck the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital on 17 October 2023, killing over 500 Palestinian civilians. Griffith examines the available visual evidence to refute Israel's version of events, which has now been endorsed by US President Joe Biden.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...bunks-israels-denial-of-gaza-hospital-strike/

 

[GreatCamel]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...ive-decisions-in-israel-hamas-war/ar-AA1itx1W

Josh Paul, a director in the State Department’s Bureau of Political-Military Affairs, wrote in a note published online on Wednesday that the administration of President Joe Biden was repeating the same mistakes Washington has been making for decades.

“The response Israel is taking, and with it the American support both for that response and for the status quo of the occupation, will only lead to more and deeper suffering for both the Israeli and the Palestinian people,” he wrote.

“I fear we are repeating the same mistakes we have made these past decades, and I decline to be a part of it for longer,” he said, adding that the Biden administration’s “blind support for one side” was leading to policy decisions that were “shortsighted, destructive, unjust and contradictory to the very values we publicly espouse”.

“I knew it was not without its moral complexity and moral compromises, and I made myself a promise that I would stay for as long as I felt the harm I might do could be outweighed by the good I could do,” wrote Paul

 

[ph1l]

You mean that one baby image, not slain but charred, casualty of a house fire vs 500 patients of a hospital?

Why I will never believe western and Israeli claims of a Hamas act on the hospital unless solid proof is delivered?

Here you go ...
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/sto...attacked-the-gaza-hospital-2450709-2023-10-18

Did Israel bomb Gaza hospital? Visuals suggest otherwise
With the arrival of President Biden in Israel and the blame game between Hamas and Israel on the bombing of Gaza Hospital, India Today’s OSINT team identifies visual clues to assess the weight of each side’s claim.
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Around 500 people were reportedly killed after a hospital in Gaza was targeted by Israeli strikes on Tuesday. (AFP Photo)


Bidisha Saha

Ankit Kumar
New Delhi,UPDATED: Oct 18, 2023 20:07 IST
As Israel and Gaza officials continue to blame each other for the explosion at the Al Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza, initial visual evidence does not show signs of aerial bombing by Israel.

The city hospital was reportedly packed with patients, wounded and health professionals on Tuesday. Gaza officials blamed an Israeli airstrike that reportedly killed around 500 people, while the Israeli military blamed the incident on a rocket misfired by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) militants.

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The incident is seen as the deadliest single-day incident of the 10-day-old war that began after the October 7 massacre orchestrated by Hamas. The hospital, according to the World Health Organisation (WHO) was one of 20 targets in the north of the Gaza Strip facing evacuation orders from the Israeli military.

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Photos and videos posted online were analysed by India Today’s OSINT team to help understand possible scenarios that could have unfolded. There appear to be more visual clues suggesting that the massacre was likely an accident/rocket failure than a targeted bombing from the skies.


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By comparing the pictures of the aftermath of the missile strike at the Al-Ahli al-Arabi hospital, it becomes evident that the vicinity of the parking lot and surrounding areas were the closest to the explosion.



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Social media videos show extensive damage to the cars parked in the open space, and some damage to the walls of the hospital but don’t show the impact consistent with the Israeli air strikes since October 7.

Vivid comparison of the Al Ahli Hospital’s parking lot with Google Earth Imagery. (Graphics: Ankit Kumar)

Footage from the live stream by Al Jazeera and surveillance camera footage from Netiv HaAsara released by IDF independently verify the geolocation of the incident.

The live stream revealed three illuminated structures amidst the darkness in northern Gaza, that the India Today OSINT team identified as Wafaa Medical Rehab, Abu Khadra Mosque, and a non-governmental office in Gaza based on visual cues.

In the second video shared by Al Jazeera, which provided a close-up view of the rocket strike site, the architectural features of the hospital building perfectly matched the images of Al-Ahli al-Arabi hospital available on Google.

In order to pinpoint the precise blast location, we also identified the neighbouring building to the hospital and a prominent tree within the vicinity.

Locating the structure of the blast basis the two footages online via visual matching of adjacent buildings. (Graphics: Bidisha Saha)
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Going by the surveillance camera footage captured from Netiv HaAsara which shows a large barrage of rockets being launched from a direction opposite to the POV which is likely emerging from northern Gaza.

This salvo was followed by a significant explosion occurring somewhere between the two locations, presumably as a result of a misfire.

Further, to corroborate our findings, we revisited the appearance of previous sites that had been subjected to Israeli rocket strikes in Gaza. The high-resolution satellite images captured by Maxar technologies a week before showed the Wanton tower in Gaza in ruins after a retaliatory aerial strike by Israel, leaving extensive damage to the building.

However, from the images and videos of the hospital surfacing online, there seem to be no visible signs of a large crater in the parking lot or any substantial damage to the buildings close by. These signs make the “Aerial Bombing” theory less plausible.

Satellite image of the bombing of Wanton Tower in Gaza by Israel on 10th October, 2023. (Graphics: Bidisha Saha)
Israel Army’s Chief Spokesman, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, asserted that there were no air force, ground or naval attacks in the area at the time of the blast. Hamas, in response, attributed the strike to Israel.

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They referenced Israel's prior directive to evacuate Al-Ahli Hospital and their previous bombings of the hospital complex as evidence that the hospital was intentionally targeted by Israel.

Hamas also argued that the scale of the explosion, the trajectory of the bomb's impact, and the extensive damage all collectively pointed to Israeli involvement.

Hundreds of Palestinians had took refuge in al-Ahli and other hospitals in Gaza City in the past few days, hoping they would be spared bombardment after Israel ordered all residents of the city and surrounding areas to evacuate to the southern Gaza Strip.

Images after the bombing show the wall of the hospital is intact (Graphic: Ankiit Koomar)
“Based on what I’ve seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you,” Joe Biden reportedly told Benjamin Netanyahu during his visit earlier today. He further added that there were “a lot of people out there” who weren't sure what caused the blast.

The catastrophe, at Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza City, came hours before President Biden boarded Air Force One for Israel, and it threatened to draw the United States further into a conflict that it sought to end. Also, it adds no geopolitical incentive for Israel which already has the west on its side.

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However, at least 10 hospitals in Gaza have already come under attack since October 7, as per the data collected by the United Nations. “This is a massacre,” said MSF Doctors Without Borders, in a statement. “It is absolutely unacceptable. Hospitals are not a target. This bloodshed must stop. Enough is enough.” The siege has affected the ability of emergency responders to conduct even basic search-and-rescue operations.

The practice of using humanitarian sites as cover is not new for Hamas and PIJ. Earlier, geolocation of Hamas propaganda footage by India Today OSINT team revealed the existence of a Hamas armed training site only km away from a UN facility in Gaza. This proximity serves as a stark reminder of the potential risks associated with such practices being conducted in the vicinity of humanitarian aid camps and civilian shelter areas.

Propaganda video of Hamas training shows UN facility at a distance of ≈ 1km.
Earlier, an IDF spokesperson stressed the large number of misfired rockets fired from Gaza. “These rockets fell short of Israel and have caused Palestinian casualties. During this war, we have counted approximately 450 rockets that misfired and fell inside Gaza. Palestinian civilians pay the price of that” he added.

On the other hand, Israel claimed to have dropped 6,000 bombs weighing 4,000 tonnes on Gaza in the first six days of the war. The other side has fired a substantial number of rockets towards Israel too. In the event of war, rocket misfiring and bombs missing their targets are very common. Given the large volume of attacks both theories could still be plausible and only a detailed investigation would provide a conclusive verdict.

The hospital was not directly hit, and the fire in the parking lot was not caused by a missile strike because there is no crater.

 

[gwb-trading]

https://c.newsnow.com/A/1201405730?-12743:38137
Watch the video at this link....

US weapons expert debunks Israel’s denial of Gaza hospital strike
Speaking to MEMO, weapons expert and US Army veteran Dylan Griffith challenged Israel's claim that it was a Palestinian 'misfired rocket' and not the Israeli military that struck the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital on 17 October 2023, killing over 500 Palestinian civilians. Griffith examines the available visual evidence to refute Israel's version of events, which has now been endorsed by US President Joe Biden.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...bunks-israels-denial-of-gaza-hospital-strike/

This video by a self-proclaimed "U.S. weapons expert" is less than convincing. In fact it is quite laughable. His claims that the missile that struck the hospital in Gaza is from the U.S. because it sounds like a JDAM and due to the large size of the warhead explosion --- can easily be refuted by simply watching videos of Hamas missiles striking Israel. The larger Hamas missiles striking Israel have a similar sound and have a sizeable warhead explosions.

The other thing to note is that the missile struck the hospital parking lot and the leftover fuel (after mere seconds of flight) caused a large fire and incinerated nearly everything in the parking lot. Shrapnel from the missile penetrated the hospital and can be seen in photos and videos. However the hospital walls are still intact.

Futhermore, a JDAM bomb would not have fuel incinerating cars. Nor would it land in a parking lot without creating a huge crater (because the JDAM is designed to take down buildings). Nor would a JDAM be likely to miss its target and land in the parking lot next to it.

Many people were taking shelter in the parking lot or outside the hospital -- leading to the high civilian casualty count.

 

[GreatCamel]

WHICH CHARITIES are presently inside GAZA able to offer help? If anyone can guide please

 

[Tsing Tao]

Palestinians then, under Yasser Arafat tried to overthrow the King of Jordan. After routing the Palestinians, they moved to Lebanon in their refugee camps. He is not about to give them a 2nd chance. After all the things the King of Jordan did for the Palestinians, they should have been loyal to him 100,000% but, instead they tried to kill him and overthrow him.

This is far more likely the reason.

 

[Tsing Tao]

You mean that one baby image, not slain but charred, casualty of a house fire vs 500 patients of a hospital?

Why I will never believe western and Israeli claims of a Hamas act on the hospital unless solid proof is delivered? Common sense and basic logic. Are you seriously suggesting that any order given to hit the hospital would not seep through and make the rounds among its own population? Support for hamas would immediaty end. Makes zero sense. Israeli forces either aiming at it or being criminally negligent? Much more believable. Until there is solid proof it's a nobrainer who hit the hospital.

This 500 patients of a hospital thing seems to be completely bullshit, doesn't it? I mean, there's plenty of evidence that is showing it was a Hamas rocket, and no 500 people were killed. Looks like it hit a parking lot.

 

[gwb-trading]

You need to ask them, why ask me? My point was of Israel's disproportionate response which every literate and sound thinking person and nation criticizes. It's clear that to Jews a Jewish life is worth a lot more than a Palestinian life. Not to me and not to the rest of the world. You clearly see that I am not a minority opinion. Most around the world (ex Jewish US) second this opinion.

The rest of the world is waking up and looks beyond the bullshit and lies touted on TV by Jewish media magnates. The rest of the world asks why only Jewish casualties are shown and pushed while the decades of Palestinian oppression and deaths are never mentioned and Israel never accused. Whatever some say, there is a turning point that has been reached and you see this around the world. The support for Israel is crumbling and it does so at light speed.

I thought the kind & benevolent Hamas stated the hostages were safe and they planned to exchange them for Hamas terrorists held in Israeli prisons.

Reality: Hamas keeps butchering the hostages.

Kidnapped 80-year-old Israeli-American and her teenage granddaughter found dead, family says
https://www.cnn.com/webview/middlee...s-10-19-23/h_7730bc4715223b11ddc63d0221c01b12

An 80-year-old Israeli-American and her 13-year-old granddaughter, who were both kidnapped by Hamas militants from their kibbutz on October 7, have been found dead, the family told CNN on Thursday.

The Israel Defense Forces confirmed the deaths of Carmela Dan and Noya Dan to family on Wednesday, according to Jason Greenberg, a relative who lives in Massachusetts.

“Their bodies are being returned to their families for burial at this moment,” he said.

Carmela Dan had Israeli, US and French citizenship. Her granddaughter, Noya Dan, was an Israeli citizen.

The spokesperson of another family member also posted about the deaths on Facebook.

The news comes more than a week after five members of the family were kidnapped from their home in Nir Oz, a kibbutz in southern Israel just a few miles from the border with Gaza. Greenberg previously told CNN there had been a flurry of text messages from the family members saying they were hiding in a safe room and had heard gunfire and smelled smoke.

One last message read:
“We hear them. They’re coming.”

The family’s house was set ablaze and they were taken hostage, according to Greenberg.

Three other family members, all Israeli citizens, are still missing: Noya's siblings Erez Kalderon, 12, and Sahar Kalderon, 16, and their father Ofer Kalderon, 50.

The Hamas attacks killed more than 1,400 people in Israel, officials have said.

 

[themickey]

Israel police boss threatens to send anti-war protesters to Gaza ‘on buses’
Kobi Shabtai says there will be ‘zero tolerance’ for protests in support of Gaza in Israel.

Israel's police chief Kobi Shabtai attends a weekly cabinet meeting [File: Gil Cohen-Magen/Pool via Reuters]

By Al Jazeera Staff
Published On 19 Oct 202319 Oct 2023
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...-to-send-anti-war-protesters-to-gaza-on-buses

Israel’s police chief, Kobi Shabtai, has said there will be “zero tolerance” for protests in support of Gaza in Israel, threatening to send anti-war demonstrators to the besieged Palestinian enclave that Israel has been bombarding daily for nearly two weeks.

Shabtai’s comments came in a video posted on the TikTok channel of the Israeli police on Tuesday. Israeli media picked it up on Wednesday after police broke up a rally in Haifa in support of Gaza, arresting six people.

“Whoever wants to become an Israeli citizen, welcome,” Shabtai said. “Anyone who wants to identify with Gaza is welcome. I will put him on the buses heading there now.”

In the short video, Shabtai also said there would be “zero tolerance for any instance of incitement … there will be no authorisation for protests”.

He said that Israel is “in a state of war … we’re not in a situation where we will allow all sorts of people to come and test us”.

Israel Police spokesman Eli Levy told Army Radio on Wednesday that since the start of the Gaza war on October 7, 63 people in Israel have been arrested on suspicion of supporting or inciting “terror”.

Police officials told the Ynet news site on Wednesday that they are scouring social media to find Palestinians in Israel who were expressing support for Hamas, the group running the besieged Gaza Strip.

Israel has imposed a “complete siege” on Gaza, cutting off access to food, water, electricity and fuel for the strip’s 2.3 million residents after Gaza-based Hamas fighters launched an attack into southern Israel on October 7. Israeli authorities say at least 1,400 people, most of them civilians, were killed in the attack, more than 4,400 were injured and 199 others were taken captive by Hamas.

Since the attack, Israel has bombarded Gaza from the air in a devastating campaign that has reduced entire neighourhoods to rubble. Palestinian authorities have said that more than 3,400 people have been killed and more than 12,000 others wounded in the Israeli assault.

“After Operation Guardian of the Walls [the 2021 war with Gaza, which saw many Arab-Jewish clashes in mixed towns], we learned our lesson, and established a ‘war room’ to counter such incitement,” said Assistant Commissioner Dror Asraf.

“[Today, the operation] identifies online incitement or planning or any operational information that we identify on all the platforms, which has a goal of disrupting public order and harming others.”

Meanwhile, the ethics panel of the Israeli parliament has voted to suspend a left-wing parliament member, Ofer Cassif, for what it deemed as anti-Israel statements after the war broke out.

Cassif had given an interview in which he accused the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of enacting a plan in Gaza, which he compared with the Nazis’ “Final Solution” against Jews in Europe.

On another occasion, he told foreign media that “Israel wanted this violence”, in reference to the Hamas attack.

According to the Jerusalem Post, Cassif has been suspended for 45 days.

In a social media post published on Wednesday, Cassif called the Knesset’s decision “another nail in the coffin of freedom of political expression”.

“In each of my interviews, I emphasised my complete condemnation and deep disgust for the criminal massacres by Hamas. The political statements against the occupation and the war are not statements against Israel, since peace and justice also serve it and its inhabitants,” he said.

 

[Cuddles]

I thought the kind & benevolent Hamas stated the hostages were safe and they planned to exchange them for Hamas terrorists held in Israeli prisons.

Reality: Hamas keeps butchering the hostages.

Kidnapped 80-year-old Israeli-American and her teenage granddaughter found dead, family says
https://www.cnn.com/webview/middlee...s-10-19-23/h_7730bc4715223b11ddc63d0221c01b12

An 80-year-old Israeli-American and her 13-year-old granddaughter, who were both kidnapped by Hamas militants from their kibbutz on October 7, have been found dead, the family told CNN on Thursday.

The Israel Defense Forces confirmed the deaths of Carmela Dan and Noya Dan to family on Wednesday, according to Jason Greenberg, a relative who lives in Massachusetts.

“Their bodies are being returned to their families for burial at this moment,” he said.

Carmela Dan had Israeli, US and French citizenship. Her granddaughter, Noya Dan, was an Israeli citizen.

The spokesperson of another family member also posted about the deaths on Facebook.

The news comes more than a week after five members of the family were kidnapped from their home in Nir Oz, a kibbutz in southern Israel just a few miles from the border with Gaza. Greenberg previously told CNN there had been a flurry of text messages from the family members saying they were hiding in a safe room and had heard gunfire and smelled smoke.

One last message read:
“We hear them. They’re coming.”

The family’s house was set ablaze and they were taken hostage, according to Greenberg.

Three other family members, all Israeli citizens, are still missing: Noya's siblings Erez Kalderon, 12, and Sahar Kalderon, 16, and their father Ofer Kalderon, 50.

The Hamas attacks killed more than 1,400 people in Israel, officials have said.

these reports drive me up the fucking wall. Were they reported missing and suspected of kidnapping and later confirmed as kidnapped? Were they found dead blocks away from their home? Did the terrorists dump their bodies off at the border.....JFC, media deserves all the skepticism they get. What were the conditions by which their bodies were found/are being returned to make the claim of "hostages killed" days after the initial attack?