Curious do you have any live footage of those shootings and killings? Because I have seen none. Where are they? Links pls.
Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas
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it's on 4chan and twitter. I don't buy some of the accounts but I'm not going to sort through snuff films to validate suspicions.
heavy does an OK job on what's being reported vs. what's been backed by evidence:
https://www.google.com/search?q=hea...CDU2MjlqMGo5qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
https://heavy.com/news/israel-hostage-video-videos/
https://heavy.com/news/babies-killed-beheaded-in-israel-by-hamas/
So, no proof, nothing. I saw a woman who was pushed into an SUV, NOTHING else. Where is the proof of rape and point blank shooting of babies? Those accusations are incredibly upsetting because so far utterly unproven.
I'll be stoked it is propaganda as I don't wish to see that evil .
you want Hamas to film their every action? I'm not one to believe the IDF but it's not like beheading children is above these savages either. In any case, I hear shapiro's twitter is lit. I can't bother browsing that site anymore since Elmo got rid of chronology
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whatever the ethical difference, it seems arbitrary for Americans to clutch pearls over Israel and Palestinian relations as though there is some magical right to the land based on the Bible or a made up political designation. Did Israelis move in all of a suddent after NEVER being there and displace Palestinians, most of whom have ancestors in neighboring countries and have little ties ot the land to begin with...Is any Israeli able to link themselves to a biblical figure that proves it was their land for all times? Arabs and Jews were fighting in that crescent long before Britian's colonial borders.
Americans have selective memory but suddenly seem to be experts on Palestinians v. Israelis.....First of all Israeli is not a religion...there are Jewish, Christian and Muslim Israelis. Second of all Hamas is a political terrorist group, they are not the "country" of Palestine. Hamas wants ALL Israelis killed and wiped off the face of the earth, not the Palestinians...Hamas wants that.
People in the U.S. are too quick to label all Palestinians Hamas or all Israelis human right anti arab violators. These same social media warriors would show their true colors if Native Americans started bombing casinos and killing Americans outside of reservations.
There is nothing that justifies Hamas terrorists driving into a music festival and killing over 100 men women and children civilians even if we can make a laundry list of the horrible conditions Israel created for Gaza citizens.
There should be no gloating over what is happening right now. And the U.S. certainly will back Israel no matter what simply because it is politically convenient to do so.
there are civilians lying dead in the road and videos of HAMAS in pick up trucks driving down the street firing weapons.... are you being obtuse on purpose or pretending TV doesnt exist...just like there are videos of Palestinians dead in the rubble of bombed houses there is video of dead israelis...
Are you saying Hamas never entered into the area or killed anyone, they just went out for a drive in the countryside?
What is the reason that Palestinians didn't accept the 1947 UN Plan? I read that it was because of getting short changed in terms of land. In retrospect it might have worked out better for them.
OPINION
How Israel’s internal divisions helped spark the bloody Hamas massacre
Tzvi Fleischer Australia/Israel review editor October 11, 2023
https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle...he-bloody-hamas-massacre-20231005-p5ea1k.html
There seems little doubt that the intense divisions inside Israel over controversial judicial reform proposals over the past year – leading to unprecedentedly large protests against Benjamin Netanyahu’s government on a weekly basis – were a contributing factor that led Hamas to plan and then launch its brutal attacks on Israel on Saturday.
Israel was taken unawares ... Palestinians transport a captured Israeli civilian from Kibbutz Kfar Aza into the Gaza Strip on Saturday.CREDIT:AP
In April, former Israeli national security adviser and major general Yaakov Amidror warned that Iran was pushing Hamas and Hezbollah “to act more boldly” against Israel because Tehran believed the months of protests against the Netanyahu government were evidence that the country was weak.
And indeed, Iran has repeatedly said over the past year that Israel is ripe to be destroyed. Just last week, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei tweeted about Israel: “The usurper regime is coming to an end.”
Moreover, credible reports are now appearing, sourced to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, thatIran’s Revolutionary Guard Corpswas directly involved in preparing the attack. The reports say the corps organised meetings in Beirut with Hamas, Hezbollah and other proxies to finalise the details of Saturday’s mass attack across the Israel-Gaza border. Further, it’s claimed that Tehran gave the final go-ahead for these attacks on Monday last week.
Iranian and Hamas perceptions of Israel as weak, vulnerable and divided were almost certainly strongly encouraged by repeated warnings inside Israel that the Israel Defence Forces’ military readiness was being compromised by thousands of key reservists refusing to report for voluntary duty and training in protest against the judicial reform proposals.
We do not yet know if the protests, and refusal of the reservists to report for duty, were major contributors to the catastrophic intelligence failure and breakdown of Israeli defence systems around Gaza that allowed Hamas to overrun 22 towns and villages and massacre more than 900 Israelis, most of them civilians. This certainly will come under severe scrutiny when the reasons for these catastrophic failures – arguably the worst intelligence and defence debacles in Israel’s history – are studied in coming months.
For now, Israelis are still profoundly shocked and united in grief and horror. While these events are being equated to the September 11 attacks in the US in 2001, the impact is even deeper because Israel is such a small country, with only 9 million citizens. Today, there is overwhelming agreement that nothing else matters but burying and mourning the dead, seeing what can be done to rescue the hostages Hamas seized, and dealing with the severe threat from Hamas and other Iranian proxies.
Politically, Israel appears to be moving towards an emergency national unity government, including both the government and leaders of the protest movement.Netanyahu has called for this, and the two key opposition leaders, Yesh Atid party leader Yair Lapid and National Union party head Benny Gantz, also agree in principle.
The most serious sticking point will be whether the most controversial and extreme of Netanyahu’s partners in his right-wing coalition – National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir of the Otzma Yehudit party and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich of the Religious Zionism party – would be part of such a unity government. Lapid has said he would not join a unity government which includes them. Netanyahu may not be averse to dropping them if offered a viable alternative – he has struggled to control them, as both have made a habit of loudly courting controversy and headlines, often to Israel’s detriment.
No matter what happens on this front, judicial reform will almost certainly disappear as a major controversy in Israel for a considerable period, and perhaps permanently. Both the government and Israeli society will be focusing on an existential security crisis, and will have their hands full with an intense war, likely to last weeks or months, with Hamas. And afterwards, there will be a need to rebuild Israel’s shattered security doctrines and systems.
Moreover, once the fighting subsides, the current government is likely to get much of the blame for the terrible security and intelligence debacle that occurred on its watch. There is virtually no chance the parties in it will have an opportunity to return to their judicial reform agenda.
However, the fundamental political and communal divides in Israeli society that the judicial reform controversy exposed, between religious and traditional communities and more secularist Israelis, are highly unlikely to simply disappear. Instead, they are likely to re-emerge in new ways.
The weekend’s events certainly marked a major watershed in Israel’s history and politics. Israel is likely to be a substantially different country, with a very different political configuration, in their wake. But it is simply too early to speculate on exactly what that will look like.
Dr Tzvi Fleischer is editor of theAustralia/Israel Review, published by the Australia/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council. He has a PhD in international politics from Monash University.
How Israel’s internal divisions helped spark the bloody Hamas massacre
Tzvi Fleischer Australia/Israel review editor October 11, 2023
https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle...he-bloody-hamas-massacre-20231005-p5ea1k.html
There seems little doubt that the intense divisions inside Israel over controversial judicial reform proposals over the past year – leading to unprecedentedly large protests against Benjamin Netanyahu’s government on a weekly basis – were a contributing factor that led Hamas to plan and then launch its brutal attacks on Israel on Saturday.
Israel was taken unawares ... Palestinians transport a captured Israeli civilian from Kibbutz Kfar Aza into the Gaza Strip on Saturday.CREDIT:AP
In April, former Israeli national security adviser and major general Yaakov Amidror warned that Iran was pushing Hamas and Hezbollah “to act more boldly” against Israel because Tehran believed the months of protests against the Netanyahu government were evidence that the country was weak.
And indeed, Iran has repeatedly said over the past year that Israel is ripe to be destroyed. Just last week, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei tweeted about Israel: “The usurper regime is coming to an end.”
Moreover, credible reports are now appearing, sourced to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, thatIran’s Revolutionary Guard Corpswas directly involved in preparing the attack. The reports say the corps organised meetings in Beirut with Hamas, Hezbollah and other proxies to finalise the details of Saturday’s mass attack across the Israel-Gaza border. Further, it’s claimed that Tehran gave the final go-ahead for these attacks on Monday last week.
Iranian and Hamas perceptions of Israel as weak, vulnerable and divided were almost certainly strongly encouraged by repeated warnings inside Israel that the Israel Defence Forces’ military readiness was being compromised by thousands of key reservists refusing to report for voluntary duty and training in protest against the judicial reform proposals.
We do not yet know if the protests, and refusal of the reservists to report for duty, were major contributors to the catastrophic intelligence failure and breakdown of Israeli defence systems around Gaza that allowed Hamas to overrun 22 towns and villages and massacre more than 900 Israelis, most of them civilians. This certainly will come under severe scrutiny when the reasons for these catastrophic failures – arguably the worst intelligence and defence debacles in Israel’s history – are studied in coming months.
For now, Israelis are still profoundly shocked and united in grief and horror. While these events are being equated to the September 11 attacks in the US in 2001, the impact is even deeper because Israel is such a small country, with only 9 million citizens. Today, there is overwhelming agreement that nothing else matters but burying and mourning the dead, seeing what can be done to rescue the hostages Hamas seized, and dealing with the severe threat from Hamas and other Iranian proxies.
Politically, Israel appears to be moving towards an emergency national unity government, including both the government and leaders of the protest movement.Netanyahu has called for this, and the two key opposition leaders, Yesh Atid party leader Yair Lapid and National Union party head Benny Gantz, also agree in principle.
The most serious sticking point will be whether the most controversial and extreme of Netanyahu’s partners in his right-wing coalition – National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir of the Otzma Yehudit party and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich of the Religious Zionism party – would be part of such a unity government. Lapid has said he would not join a unity government which includes them. Netanyahu may not be averse to dropping them if offered a viable alternative – he has struggled to control them, as both have made a habit of loudly courting controversy and headlines, often to Israel’s detriment.
No matter what happens on this front, judicial reform will almost certainly disappear as a major controversy in Israel for a considerable period, and perhaps permanently. Both the government and Israeli society will be focusing on an existential security crisis, and will have their hands full with an intense war, likely to last weeks or months, with Hamas. And afterwards, there will be a need to rebuild Israel’s shattered security doctrines and systems.
Moreover, once the fighting subsides, the current government is likely to get much of the blame for the terrible security and intelligence debacle that occurred on its watch. There is virtually no chance the parties in it will have an opportunity to return to their judicial reform agenda.
However, the fundamental political and communal divides in Israeli society that the judicial reform controversy exposed, between religious and traditional communities and more secularist Israelis, are highly unlikely to simply disappear. Instead, they are likely to re-emerge in new ways.
The weekend’s events certainly marked a major watershed in Israel’s history and politics. Israel is likely to be a substantially different country, with a very different political configuration, in their wake. But it is simply too early to speculate on exactly what that will look like.
Dr Tzvi Fleischer is editor of theAustralia/Israel Review, published by the Australia/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council. He has a PhD in international politics from Monash University.
Here is every US politician in Congress who currently holds stock positions that directly benefit from war in the Middle East:
Alan Lowenthal
Andrew Garbarino
Bill Hagerty
Blake Moore
Bob Gibbs
Carol Miller
Christopher Jacobs
Daniel Goldman
David McKinley
Dean Phillips
Debbie Schultz
Deborah Ross
Diana Harshbarger
Donald McEachin
Dwight Evans
Earl Blumenauer
Fred Upton
Garret Graves
Jerry Moran
Jerry Moran
John Curtis
John Yarmuth
Josh Gottheimer
Katherine Clark
Kathy Manning
Kevin Hern
Kurt Schrader
Lois Frankel
Maria Salazar
Marjorie Greene
Mark Green
Michael Guest
Michael McCaul
Mike Kelly
Mike Simpson
Mo Brooks
Patrick Fallon
Rick Allen
Ro Khanna
Robert Wittman
Roger Marshall
Scott Franklin
Shelley Capito
Steve Cohen
Susie Lee
Thomas Carper
Thomas Suozzi
Tommy Tuberville
Trey Hollingsworth
Virginia Foxx
William Keating
Zoe Lofgren
Alan Lowenthal
Andrew Garbarino
Bill Hagerty
Blake Moore
Bob Gibbs
Carol Miller
Christopher Jacobs
Daniel Goldman
David McKinley
Dean Phillips
Debbie Schultz
Deborah Ross
Diana Harshbarger
Donald McEachin
Dwight Evans
Earl Blumenauer
Fred Upton
Garret Graves
Jerry Moran
Jerry Moran
John Curtis
John Yarmuth
Josh Gottheimer
Katherine Clark
Kathy Manning
Kevin Hern
Kurt Schrader
Lois Frankel
Maria Salazar
Marjorie Greene
Mark Green
Michael Guest
Michael McCaul
Mike Kelly
Mike Simpson
Mo Brooks
Patrick Fallon
Rick Allen
Ro Khanna
Robert Wittman
Roger Marshall
Scott Franklin
Shelley Capito
Steve Cohen
Susie Lee
Thomas Carper
Thomas Suozzi
Tommy Tuberville
Trey Hollingsworth
Virginia Foxx
William Keating
Zoe Lofgren