Y'all following this Epstein mess?

[Cuddles]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/16/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-results.html

Jeffrey Epstein Autopsy Results Show He Hanged Himself in Suicide
The New York City’s chief medical examiner determination refutes conspiracy theories that he may have been murdered.

The official results of an autopsy showed that the financier Jeffrey Epstein killed himself in his Manhattan jail cell, the city’s medical examiner’s office said on Friday, determining that the cause of death was suicide by hanging.

The determination came six days after Mr. Epstein, 66, was found dead in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan, where he was awaiting trial on federal sex trafficking charges.

 

[UsualName]

You have hammered down the point a few times that Epstein killed himself with a bedsheet while the guards slept, and that to think anything else is conspiracyland.

Okay whatever. But if you are a follower of the situation as you must be to reach your conclusions , answer this for me. Not a loaded question, just saying tell me what your knowledge is on this:

Epstein had a cell mate. A guy who was a cop charged with multiple murders, so that gives some indication of his disposition and proclivities if true. Said cell mate was suddenly removed from Epstein's cell right before he was found dead. Whether that was two days before or two hours before I don't know. Do you have any information on that? What is the timeline on that?

If memeory serves me right Epstein was in his cell for 2 or 3 days alone before he offed himself.

You all also have to remember Epstein denied he tried to kill himself the first go around and it is not unreasonable that the administration in the jail did not consider him a suicide risk and considered housing him with a cell mate a danger to his personal safety.

While this may seem outrageous to you jails make decisions on whether inmates are suicidal multiple times a day and have to be responsible for their safety.

At the end of the day this guy offed himself like many other inmates across this country.

I’m actually watching fox and friends this morning and I understand why you Fox watchers are so caught up with this. The way they report it is all speculation and the way the intertwine other Clinton allegations in the story is actually very effective.

But when you ask where are the facts it’s not on Fox News. As they reported the medical examiners findings they undermined it with speculative doubt. It’s crazy that millions of people get their news like this.

I can see how even someone with a middling IQ would get brainwashed.

 

[Cuddles]

If memeory serves me right Epstein was in his cell for 2 or 3 days alone before he offed himself.

You all also have to remember Epstein denied he tried to kill himself the first go around and it is not unreasonable that the administration in the jail did not consider him a suicide risk and considered housing him with a cell mate a danger to his personal safety.

While this may seem outrageous to you jails make decisions on whether inmates are suicidal multiple times a day and have to be responsible for their safety.

At the end of the day this guy offed himself like many other inmates across this country.

I’m actually watching fox and friends this morning and I understand why you Fox watchers are so caught up with this. The way they report it is all speculation and the way the intertwine other Clinton allegations in the story is actually very effective.

But when you ask where are the facts it’s not on Fox News. As they reported the medical examiners findings they undermined it with speculative doubt. It’s crazy that millions of people get their news like this.

I can see how even someone with a middling IQ would get brainwashed.

meh, I didn't believe the official version of Kashoggi's death either. That conspiracy turned out to be true. We have much less evidence to go by on this one; it still reeks to high heavens.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

You all also have to remember Epstein denied he tried to kill himself the first go around and it is not unreasonable that the administration in the jail did not consider him a suicide risk and considered housing him with a cell mate a danger to his personal safety.

While this may seem outrageous to you jails make decisions on whether inmates are suicidal multiple times a day and have to be responsible for their safety.

At the end of the day this guy offed himself like many other inmates across this country.

I’m actually watching fox and friends this morning and I understand why you Fox watchers are so caught up with this. The way they report it is all speculation and the way the intertwine other Clinton allegations in the story is actually very effective.

But when you ask where are the facts it’s not on Fox News. As they reported the medical examiners findings they undermined it with speculative doubt. It’s crazy that millions of people get their news like this.

I can see how even someone with a middling IQ would get brainwashed.

The answer, I have subsequently found out is that his cell mate was conveniently moved out the night/day before.

Also, in regard to your various lecturettes on how suicides occur all the time, it is reported that the MCC has lost one person to suicide prior to Epstein in the last 40 years. As I said, they have a long history of preserving terrorists, mobsters, financial execs etc for trial. Except with Epstein. Your general commentary about conditions around the country in crap detention facilities may be true, but are just a lot of noise. They have very tight rules and procedures there, and someone chose to create openings in them for epstein.

Lots of stupid actions dliberately taken. Just putting a cell mate in with him who was charged with four counts of murder is a stupid way of doing your best to preserve the defendant, even if he did not kill him. And then all the other lapses- or deliberate actions. The perfect storm to allow him to either be killed or allow him to kill himself was just a bit too perfect.

MORE TO COME.

The statement about the the one suicide in 40 years was made by a former justice department guy. I am not position to confirm or deny. I would like to see the actual data though.

 

[vanzandt]

and it is not unreasonable that the administration in the jail did not consider him a suicide risk

Reeeally? You just said that?

Come on bro, use some common sense here for godsake. As suicide risks go, this guy was as high on whatever scale there is that you can get.

Some people here have written they are glad he's gone. I totally disagree. There's been a huge miscarriage of justice in his case once again. That fucker deserved to be kept alive. Suicide was way too easy. He may have died by his own hand, but there is no way that wasn't "let" to have happened.

Lets call this what it really is. As bad as suicide sounds, Epstein with all his connections, influence, secrets, whatever... was given one more sweetheart deal. Disgusting.

 

[UsualName]

meh, I didn't believe the official version of Kashoggi's death either. That conspiracy turned out to be true. We have much less evidence to go by on this one; it still reeks to high heavens.

There was evidence Kashoggi went to the embassy and there was evidence he was killed and cut into pieces.

It was never a conspiracy theory because there was actually evidence to prove he was murdered.

 

[UsualName]

The answer, I have subsequently found out is that his cell mate was conveniently moved out the night/day before.

Also, in regard to your various lecturettes on how suicides occur all the time, it is reported that the MCC has lost one person to suicide prior to Epstein in the last 40 years. As I said, they have a long history of preserving terrorists, mobsters, financial execs etc for trial. Except with Epstein. Your general commentary about conditions around the country in crap detention facilities may be true, but are just a lot of noise. They have very tight rules and procedures there, and someone chose to create openings in them for epstein.

Lots of stupid actions dliberately taken. Just putting a cell mate in with him who was charged with four counts of murder is a stupid way of doing your best to preserve the defendant, even if he did not kill him. And then all the other lapses- or deliberate actions. The perfect storm to allow him to either be killed or allow him to kill himself was just a bit too perfect.

MORE TO COME.

The statement about the the one suicide in 40 years was made by a former justice department guy. I am not position to confirm or deny. I would like to see the actual data though.

Let more come. I don’t care. I think we should all take a look at the corrections facilities and staffing in America. They are understaffed and overpopulated.

What won’t be coming is a big conspiracy.

 

[UsualName]

Reeeally? You just said that?

Come on bro, use some common sense here for godsake. As suicide risks go, this guy was as high on whatever scale there is that you can get.

Some people here have written they are glad he's gone. I totally disagree. There's been a huge miscarriage of justice in his case once again. That fucker deserved to be kept alive. Suicide was way too easy. He may have died by his own hand, but there is no way that wasn't "let" to have happened.

Lets call this what it really is. As bad as suicide sounds, Epstein with all his connections, influence, secrets, whatever... was given one more sweetheart deal. Disgusting.

Was he? His lawyers sued to get him off suicide watch, which he was on, he underwent daily psychiatric evaluations, and he claimed his cell mate actually caused the bruising on his neck.

As far as prison suicide risks go, that’s now that bad.

I think too many people were looking to get something out of this Epstein mess. A Clinton or trump involvement.

You guys are getting emotional over this. Take away the money and political stuff and a pedo offed himself. Happens all the time.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

 

[Cuddles]

There was evidence Kashoggi went to the embassy and there was evidence he was killed and cut into pieces.

It was never a conspiracy theory because there was actually evidence to prove he was murdered.

The evidence came out because a foreign intelligence agency decided to disclose their spy operations. Let's not make it seem like the evidence was all there for the world to see.