WTF "SEC approves plan to curb volatility in stocks"

Quote from Algo_Design_Kid:

Yeah, but who the hell but some bot parsing data can determine in 15 seconds what is "fundamental" (whatever the fuck that means) and what is not "fundamental"?

its not supposed to make sense. Its suppose to appease the big $ and big politics.

Are they gonna halt options @ the same time? how about etf's? how about foreign markets?

This rule is bordering on the absurd.

The only good that will come of this, is when it all blows up in their face. And you know its only a matter of time..
 
Quote from Cdntrader:



This rule is bordering on the absurd.



If you felt this way, why didn't you send in a comment during the public comment period?

There's other changes coming too.

Persuasive comments do cause change in proposals.

www.sec.gov is where you should be looking.
 
Quote from seasideheights:

If you felt this way, why didn't you send in a comment during the public comment period?

There's other changes coming too.

Persuasive comments do cause change in proposals.

www.sec.gov is where you should be looking.

Your assuming I didn't.
 
Quote from zanek:


So stocks can only MOVE UP OR DOWN 5-10% . WOW , WTF

Only if nobody trades it. One cross at either limit, and the band moves down 5%/10%.

I don't see anything in this that prevents strong, deep intraday movements in either direction.
 
Quote from Algo_Design_Kid:

Yeah, but who the hell but some bot parsing data can determine in 15 seconds what is "fundamental" (whatever the fuck that means) and what is not "fundamental"?

I was asking myself this same question, but I think some portfolio managers have very strong understandings of the price mechanics in stocks. If their execution desk is efficient in responding to their valuation models, I can see them reacting within 5 minutes.
 
Quote from Drock409:

How about you let the market be free and if a company does what its supposed to do and makes money...it goes up.... and if its a piece of crap...it goes down....

...the market will always go where it has to go..... just let it be free and stop trying to manipulate it

Bingo.
 
This thread is just another example of why the USA needs a new Constitution.
Otherwise, this kind of shit will never end.
The bureaucrats need to get their worthless overpaid asses out of the way.
 
Quote from clearinghouse:

I have to read the article again, but if the freeze period is only a few minutes, when it unfreezes AND the move was warranted because of fundamentals, who is going to want to be on the bid?

If the move wasn't due to fundamentals, the fast players will probably just pop the stock immediately out of the band. This would create a short-term disincentive to be on the offer.

If the move was due to fundamentals, the band-halt gives everyone, slow and fast, a reason to cancel and push their bid quote way down on the unfreeze. Whereas, an "uninformed" pure liquidity provisioning algorithm that doesn't pay attention to fundamentals could possibly still offer liquidity under current scenarios, this lockout provides a strong indicator to just stop algorithm buying for the next few minutes -- or let MMs adjust the bid to be so low that takers would get hurt severely by the spread.

Am I correct in this thinking? It seems like the bands would become really volatile and illiquid on one side, depending on interpretation of the fundamentals. If anything, it'll give market makers time to make substantial adjustments to whatever bias is guiding their algorithms. This is time they wouldn't have had before.

Maybe that's why Knight Capital's guy is in the article talking it up as a good thing. His angle must be that either he thinks it'll calm retail investor nerves, or that it'll help his market making division avoid more losses from fundamentally informed traders.

"...but if the freeze period is only a few minutes...". It might not freeze. The bid/ask might be capped with MM still actively trading the spread. When it's uncapped price starts to move again. If it works that way scalpers might be out of the game. If buying and holding for the trend, there might not be much of a difference than before.
 
Quote from reid5525:

"...but if the freeze period is only a few minutes...". It might not freeze. The bid/ask might be capped with MM still actively trading the spread. When it's uncapped price starts to move again. If it works that way scalpers might be out of the game. If buying and holding for the trend, there might not be much of a difference than before.

If that's true, I don't think retail guys would necessarily be disadvantaged with regards to bots owning the queue. Reserving order queue position at 5% bands from the open to the close on far-out levels is not difficult. The only advantage I could see big firms getting is that maybe the buying power of the little guy would get exhausted sooner (against some firm's internal risk system) trying to park orders on all the best symbols for little return on some 95% of trading days.
 
I'm not sure parking orders is going to be all that desirable. You park 10k (or etc) limit order @ -5%, the stock drops, you get hit for one lot, the band immediately resets to -5% from where your order is sitting and bam! your order remnant is providing liquidity on a stock that's ripping right past you.
 
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