WSJ: Trump wants to buy Greenland

It's like you don't actually believe @lylec305 is in 5th grade.
The only counter-argument I have is that the US is the lesser of two evils. Reading what China is doing in West Philippines sea (or as you might know, South China Sea) is highly disturbing. There's news about Chinese incursions every day. This on top of Chinese shamelessly fishing without any restrictions in Philippines' waters.
If this was any other country China was dealing with, you'd see floating Chinese bodies arriving in shores.
I don't disagree with the lesser of two evils idea at all, I certainly don't want China in Greenland. It's just a big blindspot we have in the U.S. that we don't seem to realize others will see us as a threat when we pivot carrier battle groups to their backyard and we ending up forcing escalation as their only course of action. While we would freak the fuck out (and in Cuba we did) if someone did exactly the same to us.
 
I don't disagree with the lesser of two evils idea at all, I certainly don't want China in Greenland. It's just a big blindspot we have in the U.S. that we don't seem to realize others will see us as a threat when we pivot carrier battle groups to their backyard and we ending up forcing escalation as their only course of action. While we would freak the fuck out (and in Cuba we did) if someone did exactly the same to us.

US and Russia are very similar in many ways, namely the concurrent victim/oppressor dynamic, not sure what it's called. Both countries see themselves as being used, threatened, constantly assaulted while at the same time repeatedly starting wars and oppressing others.

Russia for example always uses NATO as an excuse to deploy more weapons aimed at Europe, at the same time ignoring the fact that Russia has attacked and occupied a large part of Europe and their mindset has not changed at all. It's akin to punching someone in the face and then crying as if they're attacking you.
 
It's like you don't actually believe @lylec305 is in 5th grade.
The only counter-argument I have is that the US is the lesser of two evils. Reading what China is doing in West Philippines sea (or as you might know, South China Sea) is highly disturbing. There's news about Chinese incursions every day. This on top of Chinese shamelessly fishing without any restrictions in Philippines' waters.
If this was any other country China was dealing with, you'd see floating Chinese bodies arriving in shores.

Yes, the anti chinese sentiment must be very strong at the moment in Philippines, wondering if it changed anything for mainlanders moving there, as recently as 2 years ago quite a few kept movig to the Philippines.
Reading international news, it seems to be chinese agression all over the South China Sea, militarizing islets not belonging to China, fishing in other countries´waters and impeding various Apec countries to explore and exploit their own national water.
Nowadays it seems all information about China is very negative, it definetely got much wrse under Xi Jinping, and as he has extended his leading position in the Mainland from the previous 10 years to life, issues might not cool down anytime soon.
Sounds crazy that some opinion surveys in european countries shortly after Trump was elected saw him as a greater threat to world peace than Xi Jinping, I´d be curious to see more recent surveys, it has probably to do with China and the surrounding seas seeming too far for most europeans
 
Yes, the anti chinese sentiment must be very strong at the moment in Philippines, wondering if it changed anything for mainlanders moving there, as recently as 2 years ago quite a few kept movig to the Philippines.
Reading international news, it seems to be chinese agression all over the South China Sea, militarizing islets not belonging to China, fishing in other countries´waters and impeding various Apec countries to explore and exploit their own national water.
Nowadays it seems all information about China is very negative, it definetely got much wrse under Xi Jinping, and as he has extended his leading position in the Mainland from the previous 10 years to life, issues might not cool down anytime soon.
Sounds crazy that some opinion surveys in european countries shortly after Trump was elected saw him as a greater threat to world peace than Xi Jinping, I´d be curious to see more recent surveys, it has probably to do with China and the surrounding seas seeming too far for most europeans
If you look at global geopolitics in the nuclear age the unpredictable and irrational is far worse for stability than the rational and bad. Trump clearly represents the former, Xi the latter.
 
If you look at global geopolitics in the nuclear age the unpredictable and irrational is far worse for stability than the rational and bad. Trump clearly represents the former, Xi the latter.

Not convinced about that, China manages at the same time to antagonize much of the Western and Eastern world, is already powerful and is only getting more powerful and antagonizing, I suspect eastern europeans see Russia as a much bigger threat, but the size of China gives it a real mean look, even worldwide in the future - not sure how the country would deal internally with a major crisis, it is so packed it seems easy to get large portions of the population lacking of food.
Besides Trump will go away in the next few years, while the world might be stuck with Xi Jinping for quite a bit longer.
 
Trump Eyes a New Real-Estate Purchase: Greenland

In conversations with aides, the president has—with varying degrees of seriousness—floated the idea of buying the autonomous Danish territory

WASHINGTON—President Trump made his name on the world’s most famous island. Now he wants to buy the world’s biggest.

The idea of the U.S. purchasing Greenland has captured the former real-estate developer’s imagination, according to people familiar with the deliberations, who said Mr. Trump has, with varying degrees of seriousness, repeatedly expressed interest in buying the ice-covered autonomous Danish territory between the North Atlantic and Arctic oceans.

In meetings, at dinners and in passing conversations, Mr. Trump has asked advisers whether the U.S. can acquire Greenland, listened with interest when they discuss its abundant resources and geopolitical importance, and, according to two of the people, has asked his White House counsel to look into the idea.

Some of his advisers have supported the concept, saying it was a good economic play, two of the people said, while others dismissed it as a fleeting fascination that will never come to fruition. It is also unclear how the U.S. would go about acquiring Greenland even if the effort was serious.

With a population of about 56,000, Greenland is a self-ruling part of the Kingdom of Denmark, and while its government decides on most domestic matters, foreign and security policy is handled by Copenhagen. Mr. Trump is scheduled to make his first visit to Denmark early next month, although the visit is unrelated, these people said.

The White House and State Department didn’t respond to a request for comment. Officials with Denmark’s Royal House and the Danish embassy in Washington didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment, nor did officials with Greenland’s representative office in Washington and Greenland’s prime minister’s office.

While it is unclear how far the president will push the idea, U.S. officials view Greenland as important to American national-security interests. A decades-old defense treaty between Denmark and the U.S. gives the U.S. military virtually unlimited rights in Greenland at America’s northernmost base, Thule Air Base. Located 750 miles north of the Arctic Circle, it includes a radar station that is part of a U.S. ballistic missile early warning system. The base is also used by the U.S. Air Force Space Command and the North American Aerospace Defense Command.

The U.S. has sought to derail Chinese efforts to gain an economic foothold in Greenland. The Pentagon worked successfully in 2018 to block China from financing three airports on the island.

People outside the White House have described purchasing Greenland as an Alaska-type acquisition for Mr. Trump’s legacy, advisers said. The few current and former White House officials who had even heard of the notion described it with a mix of anticipation and apprehension, since it remains unclear how far the president will push the idea.

It unleashed a cascade of questions among his advisers, such as whether the U.S. could use Greenland to establish a stronger military presence in the Arctic, and what kind of research opportunities it might present.

Though it has vast natural resources across its 811,000 square miles, Greenland relies on $591 million of subsidies from Denmark annually, which makes up about 60% of its annual budget, according to U.S. and Danish government statistics.

Though Greenland is technically part of North America, it is culturally and politically linked to Europe. Following World War II, the U.S. under President Harry Truman developed a geopolitical interest in Greenland and in 1946 offered to buy Greenland from Denmark for $100 million. But Denmark refused to sell. And that was the second failed attempt—the State Department also launched an inquiry into buying Greenland and Iceland in 1867.

At a dinner with associates last spring, Mr. Trump recounted that someone had told him at a roundtable that Denmark was having financial trouble over its assistance to Greenland, and suggested that he should consider buying the island, according to one of the people.

“What do you guys think about that?” he asked the room, the person said. “Do you think it would work?”

The person described the question less as a serious inquiry and more as a joke meant to indicate “I’m so powerful I could buy a country,” noting that since Mr. Trump hadn’t floated the idea at a campaign rally yet, he probably isn’t seriously considering it. The person believed the president was interested in the idea because of the island’s natural resources and because it would give him a legacy akin to former President Dwight Eisenhower’s admission of Alaska into the U.S. as a state.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was scheduled to visit Greenland in May with the aim of discussing long-term peace and sustainable economic developments, particularly since “we’re concerned about activities of other nations, including China, that do not share these same commitments,” a senior State Department official said at the time. Mr. Pompeo was also scheduled to visit the New York Air National Guard in Kangerlussuaq, who provide support to U.S. scientists that are conducting research on Greenland’s ice cap.

His entire trip was called off at the last minute due to escalating tensions with Iran.

Kenneth Mortensen, a real-estate agent in Nuuk, Greenland’s capital, said that the running joke in Greenland currently is that Mr. Trump is traveling to Denmark with the sole intention of buying their island. But he noted that Mr. Trump might run into some trouble.

“You can never own land here,” Mr. Mortensen said, as all land is owned by the government. “In Greenland, you get a right to use the land where you want to build a house, but you can’t buy.”

“Of course, buying Greenland is a different issue altogether,” he added. “I’m not sure about that.”

Why spend the money to buy when it already has access to do whatever it pleases by renting? You think spending the extra money and resources to run it from so far away is more cost-effective? All it needs from Greenland is mineral and military access; it has both already.
 
  1. I think it's a good idea.
  2. I also think that 9 of the 10 Canadian provinces should become US states (Quebec would become its own country).
  3. The 3 Canadian territories could also become US states, or US territories.

That would be a much better option than buying Greenland so far away when Canada's got everything that Greenland does but so much closer. But then again Canada already belongs to USA. Everything that USA says, Canada does. USA wants to screw Huawei, Canada arrests its CFO and holds her there even at the expense of getting flogged by China with no rescue from USA. USA wants access to the dairy supply chain in Canada, Canada lets USA in at the expense of its own dairy farmers suffering. Whatever Canada has, USA just takes.
 
It's like you don't actually believe @lylec305 is in 5th grade.
The only counter-argument I have is that the US is the lesser of two evils. Reading what China is doing in West Philippines sea (or as you might know, South China Sea) is highly disturbing. There's news about Chinese incursions every day. This on top of Chinese shamelessly fishing without any restrictions in Philippines' waters.
If this was any other country China was dealing with, you'd see floating Chinese bodies arriving in shores.

US, Russia, China, they are ALL the same. None of those three countries are ever lesser evil than the others, never were, never have and never will. Depending on where you look, wherever they might be "lesser evil" in one way, they more than make it up in another.

What we do need is checks and balances and ironically this is where they are at their best, to keep checks and balances on each other.
 
US, Russia, China, they are ALL the same. None of those three countries are ever lesser evil than the others, never were, never have and never will. Depending on where you look, wherever they might be "lesser evil" in one way, they more than make it up in another.

What we do need is checks and balances and ironically this is where they are at their best, to keep checks and balances on each other.
On balance if you asked a random person in the world who they would want to impose their "evil" on them they would by a pretty clear majority pick the U.S. Obviously by a convincing majority they'd choose "no-one", but given the world we live in despite a lot of crap the U.S. has pulled it pales in comparison to Russia. I mean they built giant walls to keep people.....well we haven't managed to actually accomplish that yet, maybe we just suck at evil?
 
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