WSJ: A Tax a Day

Does Love exist?
Does Freedom exist?
What about Justice?
Does Law exist?
Does Government exist?
Does faithfulness to your wife exist?

When you go to a movie or any place where there are people already there, and there is a "line" or "queue", does that exist? Can you go to the head of the "line"? Why or why not?

Tell you what, give me an example of something that does exist for you. A concept that is. Don't say, the pencil I am holding in my hand exists. This way I can at least have a base to which to talk to you.

I have no interest in exchanges with solipsists, so let's get that out of the way. If you are going to use a Wittgenstein style of philosophy, let me know that too. I just want to know what field you are playing on, and what game.

Quote from Tigerjaw:

You have been brainwashed.

There is no such thing as 'society', that is a concept used to rob you. What that concept means - in the real world - is that someone convinces (or forces) you to part with your resources to give to some cause that they determine is 'right'. It usually turns out that they skim a little off the top for themselves, or use your resources to benefit themselves personally- - such as to bribe voters.
Now if you decide to voluntarily give some of your resources to another individual human being, that is an entirely different matter. You Can help other people this way. You can't help the concept 'society'. (Just point your finger at it - - you can't, though you can point to individuals.) Some people who are so willing to force others to give using the blunt force of 'the law', - - give the least of their own personal resources to charity. True charity is a wonderful thing IMO.

Some (often atheists) have tried to turn the argument around when wanting someone to go along with some law that would redistribute the resources of one person to give to another. They smirk & ask "What would Jesus do ?" My answer is, "Well, I can't speak for Him, but I'd imagine He would like a person to do acts of charity, but wouldn't condone sticking a gun to my head to force me to do so. That ain't true 'charity'. "

P.S. - - beware of those trying to club you with that word 'selfish'. What they are actually saying is "I think you should do what I think you should do, rather than what you determine is best for yourself and those you personally care about." They always have a personal agenda, even if it is so they can 'feel good for doing the right thing' or often to feel superior to others. But using guilt and manipulation on others this way, is only predatory or neurotic.
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Frankly, I've had these discussions for many many years. I'm not particulary interested in of them any more. Guess I've gone 'Zen' and am no longer willing to waste a lot of typing energy on any of that crap. And definitely not on someone I don't even know who doesn't address anything that I actually wrote, who has all the 'sophisticated philosophy' (cough, cough - yeah I studied all that shit too) to 'back' his 'position'. Great, best of luck to you. - - - -
 
Quote from nitro:


It used to be that if you were poor in the US, it just meant you could not have fancy cars, or a fancy house, or fancy clothes, etc. At least you had the dignity of being able to pay your rent and heat and eat rice and beans.
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Pretty much the entirety of your posts are filled w/moronic dribble, and I could spend a lot of time arguing each pathetic point, but this particular quote is just plain factually wrong. Pick up a history book please, and then come back.
 
Quote from Tigerjaw:

Frankly, I've had these discussions for many many years. I'm not particulary interested in of them any more. Guess I've gone 'Zen' and am no longer willing to waste a lot of typing energy on any of that crap. And definitely not on someone I don't even know who doesn't address anything that I actually wrote, who has all the 'sophisticated philosophy' (cough, cough - yeah I studied all that shit too) to 'back' his 'position'. Great, best of luck to you. - - - -
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My sentiments exactly. All that someone with even the slightest amount of common sense has to do, is look at CA. What a fucking liberal mess. But, yet liberals just seem so content to spread that cancer all over the country.

What we need to do is elect hard working small business men/women to postions of authority. People that know what its like to run something on real budget. The very last thing we need right now is a community fucking organizer.
 
well put TigerJaw

even better than your spot on post was your decision not to continue bantering with that psycho nitro
 
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