Quote from smilingsynic:
Was Jesus the Saviour, the Son of God? Almost certainly, no; because Adam was not a historical person. No original sin of Adam, no need for a Saviour.
Well, yes, if you want to get technical. Technically, there is no need for a savior because there is no such thing as guilt, relative to reality. I "take away the sins of the world" simply by telling you that. However, "Adam" did not believe himself to be guiltless and condemned himself on trumped up charges. *Adam* would be a symbol of consciousness. Man is a descendant, so-to-speak, of a guilty conscience.
Consciousness, despite its conotations, is not completely *aware*. It is the first step away from reality. It arises upon the denial of reality. The denial of reality is fundamentally what *sin* is. Reality is the Son of God...so consciousness is a denial of Self.
Pronouncing itself guilty, consciousness invents *fear* of reprisal. It conjures up corresponding feelings. It then *hides* to protect its "self". It reproduces itself inthe same way it was born: limited, separated, guilty, scared, alone. Consciousness does not exist. To maintain itself, it makes this world as *proof* of it's existence. The world is designed to keep truth out since truth is the greatest threat to it's existence.
"Man" is the offspring, so-to-speak, of consciousness. Consciousness was born of a split mind, and reproduces itself by splitting. Hence, "woman" splits off from "man". Children are produced by the splitting of cells, splitting off from the mother at birth...splitting from parents when they "move out", and splitting from mankind whey they *die*. Splitting makes no sense. Eve may as well have come from Adam's rib. The "myth" about splitting is most apparent in this story.
The false concept of guilt is deeply embedded in the consciousness of man. The appearance of the body and all of its actions stem from a deep belief in guilt. Guilt originates man's experience...originating with consciousness itself which produces man as a mental image...an outpicturing of imagination.
Man is pretty much an 11 dimensional cartoon character. So it seem "real". He acts out the edicts of consciousness, much like a puppet. Consciousness is all about crime and punishment. It shifts the concept of guilt onto man and proceeds to kill him. In this way, man is killed by his own beliefs, embedded deep within consciousness, which hides itself in man's mind as his "subconscious", rendering him unconscious. It's pretty wicked if you asked me.
So a "savior" takes away the sins of the world simply by telling the truth: Guilt is an untrue concept conjured up by a split mind. When the truth is repeated over and over, it "washes away" the belief in guilt embedded in the dark cracks and crevices of the subconscious. This sets man "free" of time and space.
Guilt produces a linear experience of time, which is technically more like a holograph. Think: one bad apple. The body itself is a time machine, made to worm its way through a consciousness which looks back over its shoulder for a posse of law, and looks forward at the inevitable "justice" that must befall it.
Anyone who believes, as "Adam" believed, that God kicked him out of the garden of Eden [the Kingdom of God] as a matter of justice...will die. Because this is basically a denial of reality. And reality is Life. Man does believe this, because consciousness believes it. Though this belief is hidden, death is evidence it still resides in mind.
Once reality is denied, its opposite comes into play. Death and guilt are opposites of Life and holiness. It is not true that man was ever intended to "live". His whole purpose is to express Life's opposite. He "lives" only in comparison to death. But what can die was never alive. Man's entire existence, then, is an illusion. The truth dispells the errors of consciousness which produce the "man" phenomenon, rendering man obsolete. Therefore, "man" and truth are at odds until truth is accepted. By accepting the truth, "man" lays down his alledged "life", and thereby comes to Life again.
A savior is one who informs the deluded of the truth. Would the deluded be able to excise themselves from this predicament without it? Not at all. Therefore, your savior could be your next door neighbor. If you accepted the fact that your neighbor is your self, you would know the truth and be saved. This truth is resisted because it renders obsolete the very idea of "man", which is the expression of autonomous will, separated from the one will of the Father and the Son. Mah interupts the sharing of the Kingdom through communion. Hence, the feeling of guilt. Man blocks communication. So he potentially blocks creation. That is how the problem is seen by the Holy Spirit.
Salvation begins with the creation of the Holy Spirit, and proceeds through your neighbor. I am your neighbor. Depending on how you percieve me, I am your savior or your prison keeper. The truth is, there is no sin. Therefore, there is no world, no man, and nothing guilty. It's all a hypothetical made-up story, believed in by a powerful mind, and made "real". Yet the "reality" of the world will never defeat or change the truth, which cannot be destroyed by insane notions made flesh.
Believe me and you will live, and not taste death any longer. It will cost you everything you think you have, which is nothing. The world is nothing. Man is not sacred. If you divest yourself of these things, you will have treasure indeed. Then, with this treasure, you will have enough to give to the poor. The poor are simply those who have invested without profit in what is unreal.
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] from your vision. This "threatens" your families individuality and special status symbolized by false terms such as "mother", "father", "little sister", "baby brother"...etc. This may or may not "fly" with them, because these self-concepts are held dearly. So there may or may not be resistance. The experience of resistance is not the aim or objective. It is not necessary. All that matters is the truth. In this way you *love* your neighbor. Any other way is not really *love*, rather, it is to experience fantasy. Give them their true identity and you will be given in return yours. Whether they accept it or not is up to them. You shall have your reward regardless. 