Quote from day7793:
Nothing is easy in Options trading. Its one of the most toughest professional involvements for a person constantly risking lots of margin. Never for a moment say you can make 5-10% easily, cause you don't. You have to put up 95-90% of your own money as collateral to make that.
Quote from torontoman:
Can this be done? Has anyone tried it? Any comments?
Nobody makes 5-10% a month (>80% annualized) without taking on MASSIVE risk, even if its the rare fat tail risk of completely blowing out the account overnight.Quote from RealProTrader:
Once you know what your biggest risk is, then you can work backwards and lessen the risk. The more you work on it, the less and less risk you will take, until, eventually, the risk associated with your trading will be so small that you will then see your 5-10% per month, easily.
Do you fully understand this concept ?
If not, then you have a long way to go and a lot of learning to do.
Quote from newguy05:
Looks like i am late to the party, this questions is mostly aimed at maverick. Are you saying there is no edge in selling option vs buying option? or only if they have the same delta?
I will use LEH (65.44) as example since i am familiar with the stock. Lets say i think the underlying is going up.
1) Sell 1 contract of strike 60 put (.LESML) and credit $75
2) Buy 1 contract of strike 65 call (.LESAM) and debt $260
3) Buy 100 shares of LEH at $65.44 and debt $6544
Would choice 1) be better? basically even if my prediction is wrong and leh stays flat or drops a little, i still pocket the credit at expiration. But with choice 2) or 3) the underlying MUST go up, without any room for error in my prediction.
Of course the risk of choice 1) is the unlimited downside spiral, ie doomsday: Leh bankrupts and drop to $0. 1)-$5925 2)-$260 3)-$6544
So i guess the bottomline question is if one has good confidence in a company that will go up, is it better to buy the call and bet the price will go up before expiration date or sell a otm put and bet the price will either go up or not drop below the otm price (below resistence) level by expiration?
edit: i know there are many alternative combo strategies, but lets assume you only have those 3 choices and you believe the stock is going up which would you rather do? and why?
Quote from Maverick74:
When will people understand that it makes no difference if you buy a 20 delta option or sell a 20 delta option, the expectancy is EXACTLY the same! I think some people on this thread need to re-read Natenburg a few times.
Let me translate this into ET language. There is no edge in SELLING an option with the same delta over BUYING that same option.
No, what Mav says is that it makes no diff whether you buy or sell the same option. So buying a .30 call or selling that same .30 call has the same expectancy (=probability of profit over the long run). Since the trades are opposite, that same expectancy has to be zero (0).Quote from taowave:
Pardon me for jumping in very late..
Let me phrase the question to Mav a bit differently.For argument sake,we are trading a stocks options with no skew.I am considering selling a delta 30 put vs buying a delta 30 call.I look at the options vol,and I see they are trading over historical.Would you still be 100% indifferent to buying the 30 delta call vs selling the 30 delta put??
Quote from MajorUrsa:
No, what Mav says is that it makes no diff whether you buy or sell the same option. So buying a .30 call or selling that same .30 call has the same expectancy (=probability of profit over the long run). Since the trades are opposite, that same expectancy has to be zero (0).