Would you give up a steady job to Trade?

WELL SAID .....

Quote from Archbos:

In the beginning was the question if it is worth while to became a trader and giving up a job with an ok monthly salary.

I had a job (in finance), became a local, stopped it (stupidly!), got back as a chief trader in a major utility (with a very sound salary), stopped it again and will start to trade for myself or in a "propshop" again.

Everybody wants to make/have as much money as possible. It looks very easy just "to sit in front of a computer", hit some keys and get the big cash.

I think you cannot b e c o m e a trader. Either you are a trader or not.

Approaching the topic on how many tics per lot you have to make is - in my opinion - completely wrong.

If you really want to trade, you should not think about how to survive for the starting phase. Nearly "every pain" is bearable if you are getting to the top.

Dont think about how much you could earn. Just be sure if you make it, money is not a matter for you anymore.
I know a few guys... (Hi "Flipper" !!!)

Can you bear heavy (I mean heavy) ups and downs ?
Can I by more smart or quicker than all the others ?
(If there is a winner there must be a looser)
Can I organize myself ?
(e.g. without the existens of a boss who makes you appear in the office - even if you dont like to)
Can I handle my inner temptation ?
(To make a few tics here and there is quite easy - to avoid the losses is the key)

Do you know already that you dont start to moan that you have givin up your old job - in the case you are not successful ?

If you can answer all the questions positively you shoud go for it.

... being aware that if you are "hooked" once, it will be very hard to get back as "a clerk into any office" - even if you can get back to your old job....

If you have seen and felt the possibilities of being a trader it will be very hard to do some"stupid paperwork" - for a living and to feed your boss.


profit !
 
Quote from ChaosNSX:

Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less traveld by,
And that has made all the difference.-Robert Frost

If you feel its the thing to do, do it, you can always go back to the rat race later on.

Best of luck,

:D
You are either very young, or don't have a career.

This is really poor advice.

To the original poster, if you have a job, giving it up is probably not terrible, since it is just a job and not a career. I am assuming that replacing this job is not a big deal if you do not suceed at trading.

People don't realize this, but trading requires intensive capital. So if you do not have access to at least $75k with 2:1 or 4:1 buying power, it will be really hard for you to make what you used to make _even_ when you become a profitable trader.

Now, if you go to a firm where they will give 10:1 on $25K, the odds are much more on your side once you know what you are doing.

I have found that the people making the transition to trading have part time jobs on the side when learning, especially if they are older (>35 years old.) If a part time job is not a possibility, then you need enough money to live on for a year set aside.

I find that people come to trading for many reasons. I will tell you this, if you are going to make a career of trading, be prepared to give 10 - 14 hours a day to your craft. Be prepared to lose money for say, if you are average (not average intelligence, average trading talent) nine months to a year before you have some sort of rythm going.

At the end of that year, you will be smart enough to answer your own question, and not get answers that are only representations of other peoples lives/dreams/fears/talents.

nitro
 
i was wondering what happened to the young hero.. looks like trading drove him to drinking :(

Quote from NJ1000:

Me and a few of my friends are looking to open up a high class bar in NYC, a Metro 53 type place if anyone is familiar. A few of my friends are contractors and one's family owns a restaurant in the city. So there is some experience in regards to renovating and running the place. We figure we can raise about 250k to open the place. I wanted to know what would be the best way of going about finding a piece of property to lease for this type of establishment. Where to go, who to go to etc.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
Quote from NJ1000:

I currently have a job where I make about 60K a year. I currently have an offer from a proprietary firm that gives you a salary to begin with for the first few months as you learn to trade, would you give up a steady job to take this opportunity. Is the risk worth the reward? How much could good prop traders expect to make. Thanks for any advice.

NJ1000,

I am not sure how old you are, but I will give my synopsis.

After having a "job" and not a career for 5 years, I stumbled across a prop firm opportunity with a very reputable firm in Chicago whose owner I owe a great deal too (not monetarily). After 4.5 years, it has been incredible and the risk was worth the reward, but the sacrifices in the beginning were tough. Selling shoes 5-6 nights a week after trading, and living on a draw of $15K a year. I was fairly young (26) and had NO responsibilities, what-so-ever.

Last year, my older brother decided that he wanted to try trading. However, he is in his late 30s, has a family, and had to move them from Cincy, OH. After getting him hired at my prop firm he made the move. So far, his experience has been different. The pressures on him, especially psychological, are WAY different then the pressures I faced, and I sometimes wonder if I should have gotten him the job.

I think young or old(er), if you have little responsibilities in your life, you should try it. Also, having 16+ months of living expenses set aside would be helpful. Prop traders can make well into the 6 figures and more. What is the prop firm you have an opportunity with? Talk to traders there. What would you be trading? What is your split? What will they charge you for commissions? How do their rates compare with other prop firms in the area?

If you have anymore concerns, I would be glad to offer any help.

Good Luck.
 
Quote from NJ1000:

Me and a few of my friends are looking to open up a high class bar in NYC, a Metro 53 type place if anyone is familiar. A few of my friends are contractors and one's family owns a restaurant in the city. So there is some experience in regards to renovating and running the place. We figure we can raise about 250k to open the place. I wanted to know what would be the best way of going about finding a piece of property to lease for this type of establishment. Where to go, who to go to etc.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Hey, wait a second.

What do you want to do? Trade or own a bar?

Focus?

Figure that out first.
 
Quote from Archbos:


I think you cannot b e c o m e a trader. Either you are a trader or not.


I think Richard Dennis has proven this to be an incorrect statement. It simply requires the necessary discipline to do what has to be done; the proper amount of money, following rules precisely, etc.

Make 'em pretty, Chris
 
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