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Would Obama have the audacity to apply his logic to a professional athlete?
- Thread starter Max E.
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The lunacy is denying that Tiger was damn near suckled on a five-iron. Not to mention the lunacy of not seeing the analogy of supportive parents to supportive infrastructure.Quote from Max E. Pad:
Yeah and that was only stage 1 of the lunacy, now i want to know how the government played a prominent supportive role in the careers of these guys......
Quote from Ricter:
The lunacy is denying that Tiger was damn near suckled on a five-iron. Not to mention the lunacy of not seeing the analogy of supportive parents to supportive infrastructure.
Sorry, I don't see it either. "Supportive parents" = "Supportive infrastructure"? That's batshit crazy, Ricter.
That's a private vs public argument...
Quote from Ricter:
Not to mention the lunacy of not seeing the analogy of supportive parents to supportive infrastructure.
One is a parent the other one is the government.... a parents role SHOULD BE TO SUPPORT THEIR KIDS..... this is not the governments role.....
Saying that the role of the government is to supposedly raise a child, just like a parent would raise their own child is downright scary, and quite frankly its people who believe the government are capable of fulfilling this role that are helping to create poverty....
Quote from Max E. Pad:
Ok Mr(insert handle here), why dont you show me exactly how the wonderful government played a prominent role in Tigers Golfing Success?
Wasn't really getting into the pre-supposed government involvement, but I do think his father was a beneficiary of some gov't help along the way, and he, his father, was a predominant source of Tiger's success. Much like the Williams sisters in tennis. Don't you think?
Quote from mrbill:
Wasn't really getting into the pre-supposed government involvement, but I do think his father was a beneficiary of some gov't help along the way, and he, his father, was a predominant source of Tiger's success.
Tigers Dad was a Military man, he risked his life to go fight in a pointless war for a shitty wage...... He doesnt owe a thing to the government.....
If you really want to go the route of "who cut the cheque" then it inevitably leads back to the private sector, and the "Rich" who financed the war with their taxes, the government didnt pay for shit, all they did was rob Peter to pay Paul, and on top of that they fucked up alot of lives in the process.......
It's an analogy, so there is no "just like" to it. You are trying too hard.Quote from Max E. Pad:
One is a parent the other one is the government.... a parents role SHOULD BE TO SUPPORT THEIR KIDS..... this is not the governments role.....
Saying that the role of the government is to supposedly raise a child, just like a parent would raise their own child is downright scary, and quite frankly its people who believe the government are capable of fulfilling this role that are helping to create poverty....
Would Tiger have made it to the level he's at if he were born to a poor family in a poor neighborhood without unlimited access to a golf course?
Tiger got lucky in many many ways. The right father (and family income level) at the right time in history. He got scholarships and advantages as a result of his promise at an early age.
To argue that any pro-athlete "did it alone" is just plain stupid. Its a combo if 10000 hours of practice, parents with enough time and money, and, being in the right place at the right time. Heck, there is even a very strong correlation between what month one is born in and whether or not they make to pro-sports.
Tiger got lucky in many many ways. The right father (and family income level) at the right time in history. He got scholarships and advantages as a result of his promise at an early age.
To argue that any pro-athlete "did it alone" is just plain stupid. Its a combo if 10000 hours of practice, parents with enough time and money, and, being in the right place at the right time. Heck, there is even a very strong correlation between what month one is born in and whether or not they make to pro-sports.
Quote from Mike805:
Would Tiger have made it to the level he's at if he were born to a poor family in a poor neighborhood without unlimited access to a golf course?
Tiger got lucky in many many ways. The right father (and family income level) at the right time in history. He got scholarships and advantages as a result of his promise at an early age.
To argue that any pro-athlete "did it alone" is just plain stupid. Its a combo if 10000 hours of practice, parents with enough time and money, and, being in the right place at the right time. Heck, there is even a very strong correlation between what month one is born in and whether or not they make to pro-sports.
Do you really think that the guys who were willing to dedicate that much time to perfection would have ended up flipping burgers if it wasnt for pro sports???
Quite frankly the comment where Obama said "someone else did that for you" was less damning in my opinion then when Obama said that people who succeed think
"it must be because im so smart, or because i work hard" and Obama said he knows lots of people who are smart who work hard, he was implying that people like Tiger arent infact special, and that they dont infact work harder, that they just got lucky to be in the right place at the right time......
Do you really think that someone with the drive of Tiger Woods, or Michael Jordan would be flipping burgers if they didnt make it into pro sports? The fact of the matter is that the reason they are successful is SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE they were smarter, and they worked harder, its not a goddamn fluke, and it had nothing to do with the government.....
The People Obama was trying to appeal to dont work as hard as these guys. Period, end of story. There is no one living in Poverty who dedicates as much time as these guys do to their "job"
Quote from Mike805:
Would Tiger have made it to the level he's at if he were born to a poor family in a poor neighborhood without unlimited access to a golf course?
He was born to a relatively poor family. His dad wasn't exactly "rolling in it". He played golf at the local muni and much of the help along the way came about because the kid was so damn good at such a young age that teaching pro's, coaches etc were lining up to hitch a ride.
He was awarded a golf scholarship to a private university...