Worldco, Santa Monica..Bait and Switch

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It seems ever so often I must re-insert the pivotal point of this thread. So I state again, It is not the 3k required to start, it was the deception that no such thing existed. All of this other stuff is for the birds. It is very simple. Tell the truth from the word go and you'll never have to remember what you said. The Worldco office in Santa Monica simply didn't do that, Although there are many other problems there on so many levels, I wish only to discuss that which directly affected me.

I do find is funny that many of the glorious comments are from members who are 1 day old on this site. Mmmm..I wonder who they could be?

rossmedia

I'm been a poster for a while, and I don't work for Worldco. But I do know the trader, and it wasn't his decision. It was a Worldco firm wide decision. So he had no choice but to change the policy. This happened in several offices of traders that I know that run them for Worldco. Kinda ruined their rep, but they had no choice.
 
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I'm been a poster for a while, and I don't work for Worldco. But I do know the trader, and it wasn't his decision. It was a Worldco firm wide decision. So he had no choice but to change the policy. This happened in several offices of traders that I know that run them for Worldco. Kinda ruined their rep, but they had no choice.


Also....I really don;t think it was worthy of a scathing thread to be started.
 
Quote from buyhigh:

Dear rossmedia,
i believe you have been misinformed...i am sorry that you never got the experience to work with the worldco santa monica owner...i have traded for over four years some of which with him in NYC... this owner has a track record for being one of the best traders at wordlco and maybe wall street. that is why he has opened an office in Santa Monica. i attribute a lot of the money i make and success as manager and person to him. Lets forget about the millions he has made trading but talk about his track record for teaching. Not just in santa monica, but in NYC he has given up his techniques and secrets of trading for the advancement of others around him (which is in the hundreds traders by now)... In NYC, when he gave a seminar not only traders in his group would be in attendence but traders from the rest of the firm and even other firms would come. It is very hard to find people in this business who care about anything but themselves... this person has taught me that there is a high degree of satisfaction in teaching people how to succeed in this business and not just for yourself... i think his biggest fault is he becomes friends with the traders who work for him in the office...he takes the outside the office problems to heart and wants to help the traders on a personal level as well...

FOR EXAMPLE.... i met this guy he spoke highly of when i was visiting...we will call him "TODD C", some of u might know him...Todd was hired by wordlco SM....no money up! todd being the bright guy and smooth talker could not trade himself or talk himself out of a 100 shares of Lucent...i know he that he lost more then $40,000 of worldco and the mangers money....the manger instead of firing him, liked him so much that he told him to take some time off trading as the market was really tough in the late part of 2002 and early 2003....todd needing to pay bills asked if there is anything else he could do in the office...the manager had use his smooth talking ability to help recruiting and adminisstrating jobs...the manager not only paid him on the side out of his pocket several thousands, he helped pay his rent, feed him and even gave him clothes all when he was not only not a revenue source but a negative capital expense! All while he was doing this for Todd C, Todd was going behind his back and working for another firm (we will call "andover") to steal traders and giving false info about worldco and his manager....

money up, no money up...the requirements change as the market his good or bad...too bad for you Ross, they asked for 3k i put up 10k when istarted and it was the best thing i did cause that money i traded was real important...i am sure after the first few thousand Todd C lost it really did not efect him much...so, i have been to all of the firms and i have seen all the rates, all of the deals, and all of the systems, and none have impressed me any more then woldco. i am know i could work for any of them some might do some things better but the most important thing for me is the people around me...If i found some one like the manager of Santa Monica to work for i would give up rates, systems and P&L for the education and the personal caring that he provides his traders...



LOL ! maybe the best trader on wallstreet ?? how stupid does that sound ?? perhaps one of the better writers..... LOL
 
Get real rossmedia,

Pony up the 3K. At 94% payout you can't lose, especially since you've invested 8 months with the company. A person who considers himself a trader who doesn't have solid trading experience is really worth much.

If nothing else the 3K buys you some valuable trading experience and a track record. Then you can parlay that experience into a lucrative position.
 
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No I will not name the firm I’m working with now because I was asked not to. They need no advertising, traders from all over LA are already trying to get seats.

Rossmedia

uhhh, OK Beavis -- if you say so! Yeah, uhhhh, wouldn't want to say good things about a trading firm on the ET boards -- they might end up getting a good reputation!

... I don't trade for a prop firm and know little about that seedy area of trading, however -- it sure strikes me as a bit "odd" that you wouldn't want to let others know about this supposedly "great firm."

dog:( :cool:
 
rossmedia,

All I have to say is that I've had a very good experience with the manager of the LA office when he was in NY. Nothing more, nothing less. I was treated very well and from what I saw, so was the majority of other traders under him. I was on my own for my first few months there and almost quit numerous times until I was put under him. He took the time out to teach people and he cares about his traders (which is more than I can say about a lot of other people, worldco guys included, so I'm not pumping worldco here). Sucks you didn't get past the door to actually see any of this before you had to come on here and drag his name through the mud. I have nothing to gain by saying anything good about him. He's in LA, I'm in NY, and I basically have nothing to do with him anymore. But he's a good guy and it's a shame he got attacked about something that honestly wasn't under his control.

I would assume I'd be upset if I was told I had to put up money after the fact, but you said yourself you got hired 8 months ago. If you haven't noticed a lot has happened with the market and prop firms in the last 8 months. Things change and policies change. Looks like you were just the victim of bad timing. But whatever man, I honestly couldn't care less.
 
Ok....I had had it.....will one of you Worldco posters tell the guy that runs the SM office to please post to this thread an explanation.

If the guy interviewed and took some time to pass the tests....and he was promised the current company policy, and then the company policy changed in the interim .....then why is that a management communication problem? Is this the fault of the manager that the guy he interviewed took too long to become a trader.

Michael B.
 
At rossmedia's request this thread has been reopened for further discussion. I ask that all stay on topic, there be no personal attacks, and no promotion or recruitment. Thanks.
 
Quote from cuda:

rossmedia,

"...Sucks you didn't get past the door to actually see any of this before you had to come on here and drag his name through the mud. .."

Well I guess it is true, people never hear what you say, only what they think you said. I never mentioned the name of of the guy who runs the office, therefore it is impossible to drag an unmentioned name through the mud. I guess this is how people get acquitted in a court of law. By the time the evidence has been passed around no one can remember who did or said what.

Thank you Magna.
 
Worldco in SF was a Kindergarten with a bunch of screaming buffoon chasing market shorts in a bear market. The last 2 months I hear this guys squilling from 3 building over, with this nice bull move.

Move on and make money where it best fits your style. Each office is different but I left Worldco because the Manager was a kid who could trade but a horrible manager.

I remember talking to you while you where talking to other shops. You did ask for a no capital deal. I also believe a small deposit works best and shows that you too will watch your risk and still make a good payout. I am done with 0 capital up. no return for the risk....Good Luck.
 
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