World War III needed to wake up the people

Quote from DT-waw:

Free energy will destroy current monetary system, because it will make oil and banking industries a thing of the past.

It is going to take a LOT of money and energy to create the nuclear or wind or wave energy solar plants. So the oil/coal financiers can move to this instead. Secondly, we will probably be working to take out CO2 from oil/coal, so it is not like it will go away. And free energy? that has been a pipe dream for decades. Nuclear energy was supposed to be "too cheap to meter." yea, right.

Not only World War III and tens of millions killed, but also total economic collapse of major nations like USA and UK...there's no other way for the masses to finally FEEL

So if some of your family, neighbors and friends are killed, and for the remainder of them, you wish economic collapse? That will improve their situation? Wishing it on the world is wishing on those you care about, also... Take a look at Filipinos living on the Manila garbage dump: - you want your sister or daughter to be like this?

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there is no way we can continue our current course of taking from planet earth. I think DT is saying that in order to change courses we would have to feel extreme global pain of gigantic size. Unfortunately since the majority of people are not surviverlist then most of our loved ones including ourselves would experience the pain as well. It may not happen now or even soon or in our lifetime but I think it will eventually come to this....
 
Not to derail this discussion, but it is interesting to see that while capitalism produces situations like the one presented in the photo above, it is Cuban people that the US is worry about and has had an economic embargo for past 40 years plus because they are so preoccupied by the human rights violations of Castro's regime. Funny nobody is getting bent out of shape about the misery and poverty of third world countries that are firmly in the capitalist camp.
 
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there is no way we can continue our current course of taking from planet earth.
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Agreed - really that goes without saying.

I think DT is saying that in order to change courses we would have to feel extreme global pain of gigantic size.
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Maybe, its also possible that technology/innovation will lead to changes without us having to endure max pain first, probably not.

In any case regardless of the catalyst for change there is no way we will end up with a society as described by project venus...its unrealistic and untenable.
 
I think the main thing is that it is undesirable. Humans would become animals dominated by technology. We would never leave our homes. AI would be the dominate being on this planet.
 
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there is no way we can continue our current course of taking from planet earth. I think DT is saying that in order to change courses we would have to feel extreme global pain of gigantic size. Unfortunately since the majority of people are not surviverlist then most of our loved ones including ourselves would experience the pain as well. It may not happen now or even soon or in our lifetime but I think it will eventually come to this....
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exactly
 
Quote from ARealGannTrader:

Japan has been thrown up here for years regarding their better social numbers.

The society is much more controlled, much tighter.
And, the people are homogenous to the degree that mistakes by an individual tends to reverberate among families and communities, dishonoring them, which tends to be a strong deterrent.
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take Singapore, much less homogenous.
i guess the concept is fairly easy to grasp: when you have nothing to eat you are able to steal and kill in order to survive, when you're living in decent conditions you're likely to enjoy them with others.
 
What you see unfolding today was all planned out 100 years ago. No need to worry, those much smarter and much more capable than you are in control.

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* When the accumulation of wealth is no longer of high social importance, there will be great changes in the code of morals. We shall be able to rid ourselves of many of the pseudo-moral principles which have hag-ridden us for two hundred years, by which we have exalted some of the most distasteful of human qualities into the position of the highest virtues. We shall be able to afford to dare to assess the money-motive at its true value. The love of money as a possession — as distinguished from the love of money as a means to the enjoyments and realities of life — will be recognised for what it is, a somewhat disgusting morbidity, one of those semi-criminal, semi-pathological propensities which one hands over with a shudder to the specialists in mental disease ... But beware! The time for all this is not yet. For at least another hundred years we must pretend to ourselves and to everyone that fair is foul and foul is fair; for foul is useful and fair is not. Avarice and usury and precaution must be our gods for a little longer still. For only they can lead us out of the tunnel of economic necessity into daylight.


o "The Future", Essays in Persuasion (1931) Ch. 5, JMK, CW, IX, pp.329 - 331, Economic Possibilities for our Grandchildren (1930); as quoted in "Keynes and the Ethics of Capitalism" by Robert Skidelsy

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Quote from DT-waw:

Not only World War III and tens of millions killed, but also total economic collapse of major nations like USA and UK.

there's no other way for the masses to finally FEEL (not understand, for majority are unable to logically THINK) that the current corrupted monetary system under controlled scarcity of goods must end.

Today the technology exists able to produce clean, limitless and FREE energy, yet people simply don't care.

Free energy will destroy current monetary system, because it will make oil and banking industries a thing of the past. Why? When you look at the Forbes 500 biggect companies list, you'll notice that roughly 1/3 represent oil & gas, 1/3 banking and insurance and 1/3 other sectors. Without money flow associated with Oil industry and with good and services 20-50% cheaper when having free energy and transportation, there will be 1/10th or less money in circulation vs today. Demand for credit will sharply decrease. The whole economy will HUGELY benefit from such change, just not in monetary terms, but in REAL terms.

Perfectly and comprehensively described here:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusiona.pdf

On these grounds the society and economies could start to transform into something envisioned by now 92 year old futurist and inventor Jacque Fresco called "Resource based economy" where no longer potential human talent, creativity, time and energy is wasted in "producing-nothing" jobs like: accountants, lawyers, guards, military, police, traders (yes! i said it!), politicians,cashiers, banking personnel and others.

There's a technology for long-distance travels at 4000 mph - maglev inside vacuum tube. Imagine trips from London to Tokyo in about 2 hours! With no price tag, since energy is free. It will change everything in our lives.

Go to http://www.thevenusproject.com/ for more information on this new, never possible before, economic and social structure.

However before we'll have it...... we need total crash and collapse of the current corrupt and greatly inefficient system.

Again people will not understand anything about what I've wrote above, or what is presented in Venus Project, will laugh at it, will think "it's impossible" or will just don't care. This is precisely why most of the people must first be horrified by hunger, diseases, bullets, rackets and bombs to start demanding something better.

"Resource based economy" and all its implications were never discussed on ET, so i start the topic. I predict this thread to be max 3 posts long :(
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