World War III needed to wake up the people

Quote from ElCubano:

Perhaps as DT mentioned something in the magnitude of 10's of millions of people dying in a war could jump start it. Even then it would seem like an impossible task.
Yes, impossible.

Reading the FAQ (http://www.thevenusproject.com/introFaq.php) many serious subjects are causally brushed over and a lot of assumptions are made about humans would behave in such a society.

How would such a society deal with sociopaths or pedophiles? Oh that's right, they just magically wouldn't exist because of education and this new environment. Uh huh.
 
Quote from DT-waw:

Do you need someone to tell you what do you want to do? Can't you figure it out by yourself?

In the world where there's abundance of energy which further means free transportation, food and (in the early phase of transition) all other goods ~50% cheaper, you decide what to do with your time. You don't have to work or fight or be corrupted anymore to obtain your basic living needs.

And if you'll want to do pure nothing for a long period of time, i'm pretty sure you'll get bored and finally start thinking about something useful for society especially when people around you will be engaged in anything useful.

"Future by Design" movie, shows and explains much more:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...&ei=HK4vSsa_G4Xo-QanhYWoBg&q=future+by+design

Read this when I was younger man and lived long enough to recognize it's unpleasant truth.

"People as group don't really adopt new ideas. Opponents to the new ideas must first die off."

Not a few of them. Almost all of them.

We've already had the war to end all wars.


That war was WWI

To change, we will need a total reset. Some change so fundenmental that it is impossible to rebuild the old system.

Even the world of Mad Max will not do. The old system will be reorganized around new scarcities.

As the wise and forward looking are always a tiny minority, they will be overwhelmed by the surviving masses.

I point u to Europe in the Dark Ages.

No, the Venus project discounts human nature, which as this stage in our evolution will not change. Notice that I said evolution, and not circumstances.

What u propose is a change in circumstances. It will not work.

The venus project will have to be left for a future generation to discover and build. If there are any of us left.
 
Quote from GTS:


How would such a society deal with sociopaths or pedophiles? Oh that's right, they just magically wouldn't exist because of education and this new environment. Uh huh.

First of all, most likely there will be FAR less sociopaths. Human behaviour depends on the social and economic conditions, it is not set in stone or in genes.

Look here and sort the last column
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_murder_rate

why do you think Japan has 70 times less murders than Venezuela? Because of standards of living and education.
In Tokyo, 35 million metropolis there's virtually none street crime. Sure, there's a hell of corruption at the high levels (yakuza, government) but common people (great song, btw) are peaceful.

Sociopaths need comprehensive psychological help, not closing them with other criminals which costs more and make such person even worse. Yeah, its good for private prisons they make $money on it.
 
Quote from DT-waw:

First of all, most likely there will be FAR less sociopaths. Human behaviour depends on the social and economic conditions, it is not set in stone or in genes.

Look here and sort the last column
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_murder_rate

why do you think Japan has 70 times less murders than Venezuela? Because of standards of living and education.
In Tokyo, 35 million metropolis there's virtually none street crime. Sure, there's a hell of corruption at the high levels (yakuza, government) but common people (great song, btw) are peaceful.

Sociopaths need comprehensive psychological help, not closing them with other criminals which costs more and make such person even worse. Yeah, its good for private prisons they make $money on it.

Japan has been thrown up here for years regarding their better social numbers.

The society is much more controlled, much tighter.
And, the people are homogenous to the degree that mistakes by an individual tends to reverberate among families and communities, dishonoring them, which tends to be a strong deterrent.
 
Quote from DT-waw:

Sociopaths need comprehensive psychological help, not closing them with other criminals which costs more and make such person even worse. Yeah, its good for private prisons they make $money on it.
Thank you for telling me what you are not going to do with them.

Please elaborate on what you are going to do with them while they are getting their "comprehensive psychological help".
 
Quote from GTS:

Thank you for telling me what you are not going to do with them.

Please elaborate on what you are going to do with them while they are getting their "comprehensive psychological help".

it could never be done in one stroke but over time through phasing out who knows....
 
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