you are still free to teach christianity in schools. in my city there are several christian schools where they are able to teach there kids that there was once a talking snake and god created the earth 6000 years ago. most of us prefer that willful ignorance not be used as a learning tool so resist having fables and fairy tales taught in public school.
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Workers In Tennessee Forced To Take Muslim Holiday Instead Of Labor Day
- Thread starter AAAintheBeltway
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Having a problem copping to the horrific crimes of white Christian Americans in the name of God and Jesus?
Not surprised...
Your emotional and fallacy driven response is par for the course, what I expect from you.
Not surprised...
Your emotional and fallacy driven response is par for the course, what I expect from you.
Quote from jem:
You have proven yourself to be a moral relativist and yet here you are preaching standards.
You loathe yourself and America and when someone asks you why you out you spin off moronic blather.
It was you and your crew of haters putting our culture down - I called you out on your b s - and asked you what was better. Instead of responding to the argument you started you spin out this crap and try to insult Christians in general and my family in particular. A family you know nothing about.
You should be ashamed of yourself and your self loathing. We have quotes from you manifesting your hate and jealosy of white christians. Perhaps you could learn to stop hating yourself if you stopped hating others.
You have participated in other threads where you refus
if we had religious education in schools as you want there would be pockets of muslim and other religions in america who would want their brand of religion taught in their local school and you would be right back on here complaining that it should be only your religion that be taught.Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
Maybe you're the one who should do some reading. The Founders intended only to ban Congress from imposing a national religion. They would have been astonished and horrified at the notion that somehow the First Amendment would bar religious instruction in public schools. It was widespread and commonplace at the time the Bill of Rights was adopted, and it never even occurred to anyone for another 150 years that the states could not provide religious instruction.
the court has it right. all religion should be banned in public schools.
Quote from bigdavediode:
Yeah, all 1.2 billion Muslims are exactly like that.
If 1 per 1000 are willing to do mass murder and the rest of them don't do anything to discourage them you have 1.2 million people that have to be watched, but you never can be sure which 1.2 million it is so I say don't give any of them holidays, it's easier to surveil them at work then at home.... and it's harder to make a bomb at work too........
well so far we have had two terrorist attacks in america that caused mass murder. one was muslim men and one was christian men. i guess we better surveil everybody then. pretty soon you have a police state.Quote from maxpi:
If 1 per 1000 are willing to do mass murder and the rest of them don't do anything to discourage them you have 1.2 million people that have to be watched, but you never can be sure which 1.2 million it is so I say don't give any of them holidays, it's easier to surveil them at work then at home.... and it's harder to make a bomb at work too........
well, there are of course more than 50 christians for every muslim in this country so even based on your logic the chances of a muslim terror attack are about 50 times higher than the chances of a christian one.Quote from vhehn:
well so far we have had two terrorist attacks in america that caused mass murder. one was muslim men and one was christian men. i guess we better surveil everybody then. pretty soon you have a police state.
Even more importantly, the entire chrisitan world loudly and unequivocally condemned the attack. The muslim world's condemnation on the other hand was not only extremely subdued (to put it mildly) but generally went like this: "It [9/11] was a wrong thing to do but it's really not their fault, it's the fault of the US government which refuses to meet the demands of the terrorists and avoid future attacks".
And of course you conveniently did not take the first WTC attack into account together with multiple attacks on american and western targets all over the world. They were all carried out by muslims, not christians so you decided to ignore them.
Quote from vhehn:
well so far we have had two terrorist attacks in america that caused mass murder. one was muslim men and one was christian men. i guess we better surveil everybody then. pretty soon you have a police state.
The obvious difference is that there is not a worldwide Christian terrorist conspiracy. There have been so many muslim terrorist attacks worldwide you cannot list them all.
Quote from stu:
Maybe you should have read and deciphered a little more carefully what I posted instead of jumping straight onto your hobby horse.
The Founders declare it unconstitutional to require anyone to "profess a belief in God or Jesus" as a condition to holding office.
Religious instruction is a separate issue. You might have asked yourself why the previous poster mixed them together. Possibly because he holds the same hard line bigoted religious views you do.
OK sorry, I misunderstood your post. I still don't agree with what you wrote however. Unless I am badly mistaken, the prohibition on religious tests for public office only applied to federal offices. Similarly, the First Amendment prohibition on establishment of religion only applied to the Congress. States were allowed to have official state religions, and some, like Virginia, did exactly that.
In the 1960's, the Supreme Court invented the incorporation doctrine and thereby claimed that the 14th Amendment incorporated and applied to the several states the Bill of Rights. Only took them 100 odd years to "discover" that the states that ratified the 14th Amendment also meant to apply the Bill of Rights to themselves.
Acknowledgement to Cornell University Law SchoolQuote from AAAintheBeltway:
OK sorry, I misunderstood your post. I still don't agree with what you wrote however. Unless I am badly mistaken, the prohibition on religious tests for public office only applied to federal offices. Similarly, the First Amendment prohibition on establishment of religion only applied to the Congress. States were allowed to have official state religions, and some, like Virginia, did exactly that.
In the 1960's, the Supreme Court invented the incorporation doctrine and thereby claimed that the 14th Amendment incorporated and applied to the several states the Bill of Rights. Only took them 100 odd years to "discover" that the states that ratified the 14th Amendment also meant to apply the Bill of Rights to themselves.
United States Constitution
Article VI
All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
Touting that around as if a religious test was laudable, or misrepresenting the Constitution by applying it only to limited circumstances all in defense of , it must be said , intolerant bigoted christian religious prejudices, is the very hate and jealousy writ large, which the author of that deviant practice is quick to accuse those who refuse his creed of , but who is so proud to deal in himself.Quote from jem:
....and in many states you could not hold office if you did not profess a belief in God or Jesus.
More "christians" would do themselves a favor were they to first think about what it is they are actually saying and read and learn the Constitution before they start referencing that silly childish fairy story Bible book in preference, as if to do so were more important.
Apology accepted AAA, and with respect I say you are badly mistaken. Not only is Unconstitutional a polite way of describing any religious test , I trust you will be able to agree, it just happens to be a factual one.
I don't want to belabor this, but I'm not sure the text you quote means what you think it says. It says no religious test for an office under "the United States." That does not include state offices. The preceding phrase regarding swearing loyalty expressly includes the states. I don't have time right now to look into this, but I will try to later.