Winter is Coming - the COVID chronicles

[gwb-trading]

That's like saying that we should not count deaths who contracted HIV and developed AIDS because the flu killed them.

You guys, genius over here just found the cure to HIV

And nearly every other disease on the face of the earth.

 

[Tsing Tao]

That's like saying that we should not count deaths who contracted HIV and developed AIDS because the flu killed them.

You guys, genius over here just found the cure to HIV

Dude, I'm agreeing with you (and gwb). Try reading before you shoot off your mouth.

 

[CaptainObvious]

That's only comforting if you don't get it. If you do, there can still be long term consequences from the virus, provided you're one of the healthy people who doesn't die from it. And so what is your point, anyway? Just because healthy people don't die from it, we shouldn't give a shit? Most people evidently have some kind of an underlying condition. And even if they didn't, there should still be some kind of moral code to do no harm to our fellow members of society.

That's not what I'm saying. What I want is an actaul risk assessment. I want a breakdown each and every day.
Yesterday 2700 people were listed as dying from Covid. Okay, how many of the 2700 were reasonably healthy? Exactly how many. They know these details, they have to. Why aren't the talking heads who spend all day and night wringing their collective hands over this giving us the specifics? It's not like they don't have the time.
Again, for the umpteenth time, the people at high risk this year are the same type people who have always been at risk from contracting a respiratory virus. Tens of thousands have died every year due to this. Were their deaths irrelevant? Why was there no hysteria over their lives? Why no mask mandate? Why no lockdown?What changed other than the politics? Nothing.
Every single similar death years past would have been listed something to the effect, died from cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc., etc. with respiratory complications. That would have been the end of the story and we all know it.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Likewise the risk of healthy people dying of the flu is near absolute zero.

Should we discount the deaths of thousands of people simply because they had risk factors.

We discounted them each and every year prior to 2020. What changed?

 

[gwb-trading]

We discounted them each and every year prior to 2020. What changed?

We have never discounted including people with risk factors in the death toll for the flu or any other disease.

 

[Cuddles]

We discounted them each and every year prior to 2020. What changed?

Did we Einstein?

 

[Tsing Tao]

We discounted them each and every year prior to 2020. What changed?

They were never discounted, Captain. At least not in anything I have seen.

 

[CaptainObvious]

We have never discounted including people with risk factors in the death toll for the flu or any other disease.

Yes we did, in the sense that we all went about our lives as if nothing was happening to these people.
Let me ask you, all of you, did you restrict your behavior all that much prior to this year when you knew you were ill? No, you did not. We have all went to work while sick. We have went out and about for business and pleasure while being sick or somewhat sick. We went amongst our families, friends and strangers, many of whom were obviously not in great health, and we have done this for our entire lives. And we did it without a second thought as to any extended consequences. Again, what changed?

 

[Tsing Tao]

Yes we did, in the sense that we all went about our lives as if nothing was happening to these people.
Let me ask you, all of you, did you restrict your behavior all that much prior to this year when you knew you were ill? No, you did not. We have all went to work while sick. We have went out and about for business and pleasure while being sick or somewhat sick. We went amongst our families, friends and strangers, many of whom were obviously not in great health, and we have done this for our entire lives. And we did it without a second thought as to any extended consequences. Again, what changed?

Ok, but you're talking about comparing the viruses behaviorally - through behaviors people followed. The rest of us (I believe) are comparing data sets.

 

[gwb-trading]

Yes we did, in the sense that we all went about our lives as if nothing was happening to these people.
Let me ask you, all of you, did you restrict your behavior all that much prior to this year when you knew you were I'll? No, you did not. We have all went to work while sick. We have went out and about for business and pleasure while being sick or somewhat sick. We went amongst our families, friends and strangers, many of whom were obviously not in great health, and we have done this for our entire lives. And we did it without a second thought as to any extended consequences. Again, what changed?

COVID has at minimum 18 times the CFR and IFR of the seasonal flu.

When I am ill with the flu or a cold then I stay home and do not interact with others. This is both common courtesy and the best practice to stop others from getting sick.