Winners and Losers

Quote from skeptic123:



Israeli bombing of the Iraqi nuclear reactor is probably the most successful example of a preventive action. The whole world was against that bombing, it took 10 years for Israel to get vindicated and to prove it was a right thing to do. And if they did not, Israel would not exist by now, nor would Kuwait, nor would Saudi Arabia.
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I think the Israeli bombing was a GREAT mission, but there is a huge difference... They knew where the reactor was... we don't know where all the WOMD, if they exist, are in Iraq. And we can think about what would have happened all we want (you're probably right), but the key is that Israel knew what would have happened (from human intelligence, etc.) and they didn't have any other options. The world wouldn't have backed a containment policy, and Israel didn't have the military power to do it on it's own.
 
Quote from picknclick:



I think the Israeli bombing was a GREAT mission, but there is a huge difference...
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I think Skeptic failed to pick up another difference: clandestine air strike vs full scale invasion.
 
Quote from alfonso:




I think Skeptic failed to pick up another difference: clandestine air strike vs full scale invasion.
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Just a technicality fonzy:-) I'm sure if Israel had the power, they'd have done the same or worse.
 
Quote from picknclick:



I think the Israeli bombing was a GREAT mission, but there is a huge difference... They knew where the reactor was... we don't know where all the WOMD, if they exist, are in Iraq. And we can think about what would have happened all we want (you're probably right), but the key is that Israel knew what would have happened (from human intelligence, etc.) and they didn't have any other options. The world wouldn't have backed a containment policy, and Israel didn't have the military power to do it on it's own.
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It is easy to call it a "GREAT mission" in retrospect, nobody was calling it a "GREAT mission" in 1982 when it happened. The whole world condemned it.

As far as containment is concerned, it works until it fails. Then it may be too late to act. And for how long do we have to contain Iraq. It's not like Saddam will die and things will change in the country, his sons will continue to rule the country in exactly the same manner.

If one/three months down the road we occupy Iraq and find undisputable proof of nuclear and/or chemical and/or biological programs - then a lot of people will also call the invasion a "GREAT mission" (and a lot of people will claim the evidence was planted).

If the WMD is not found in Iraq, then I guess the invasion was not justified legally or morally. But we do know he had the WMD, he was obligated to destroy it and provide the inspectors with proof it was destroyed. I wonder why he could not.
 
Quote from alfonso:



Prediction: by the end of this conflict there will more dead Iraqis than 9.11 and then next 6 conjectured terrorist attacks combined.


So much for "saving lives".
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It's a matter of principle, idiot.

FRuiTY
 
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