Winners and Losers from the Republican vote to replace Obamacare

[Tom B]

Democrats and Media Go into Hysterics over Healthcare Bill, Just Like Everything Else

https://heatst.com/politics/democra...er-healthcare-bill-just-like-everything-else/

 

[piezoe]

I think you've been telling us for the last eight years that elected republicans were against obamacare. I told you they weren't and it was only an act.

No brag, just fact.

You may be right. We all know that O'Romneycare in based on the Heritage foundation blueprint, a thoroughly Republican plan. What many democrats wanted was single payer, but they would have settled for the public option. To get anything at all through, without even a single Republican vote, big compromises had to be offered to several Republicans dressed up in donkey suits. And the party did what they had to do to get something through both houses. And god help us. Big compromises had to be offered, like mandated coverage, to get the insurance companies on board, and then to keep them there. All those compromises are some of the reasons medical care in the U.S. still costs 100% more then the next highest cost nation, and with less good results! Despite all the crappiness, O'bombneycare provides so much better access than what many had before, that even though it's not very good, people don't want to go back to no access at all, like still pertains in the Red states that did not expand medicaid for purely political reasons. This kind of nonsense makes we want to pick up and move to a decent country, but I'm too old for that.

 

[Covertibility]

Republicans had to take the following line out of their FAQ section of the AHCA:

No doubt they're just tell their constituents just that.

 

[jem]

if you pay income taxes, have a job wish or wish to see the standard of living in america improve for tax payers (other than the 1%) you are a moron to vote democrat or for establishment republicans.

Republicans had to take the following line out of their FAQ section of the AHCA:

No doubt they're just tell their constituents just that. If you're not in the 1% and vote republican, you're probably dumb enough to believe anything.

 

[jem]

while I agree that the Trump has pretty much only delivered on the Sup Ct. pick... that alone was worth voting for him.

kill muslims? you have become deranged.


regarding health care... I would like to see the stats on who is paying less for health care and still voted for Trump. I would bet the vast majority of Trump voters who pay they own health care got wrecked by Obamacare.

Worse deductibles and much higher payments.

The Republicans are likely going to lose a lot of seats because Trump hasn't delivered anything -- zero, zilch -- to the people who elected him. They wanted a Wall; they wanted jobs; they wanted to kill Muslims; and they wanted to lock her up. The one thing they have got, for the first time in their lives for some of them, is access to affordable medical care, and Ryan wants to take that away and Trump is celebrating the idea! It's a perfect recipe for political failure. But these particular Trump voters are easily fooled or they wouldn't have voted for him in the first place, so it's by no means in the bag for Democrats.

 

[Tom B]

Jake Tapper Suggests Dems Have Already 'Undermined their Own Credibility' on Health Care

5/5/2017 10:30:00 AM - Cortney O'Brien
Democrats have no right to criticize Republicans for their handling of the American Health Care Act, considering how surreptitiously they passed Obamacare in 2009, CNN's Jake Tapper suggested Thursday. Yes, Republicans probably should have made the revised AHCA available much sooner to members, but Democrats were guilty of much worse when they passed Obamacare without actually reading the nearly 3,000-page bill. They "passed it to see what was in it," to quote Nancy Pelosi.

"Do you think the Democrats, in the way they sold this bill to the public, really undermined their own credibility on the issue of health care?" Tapper asked Rep. Steve Israel (D-NY), who had the tall task of defending Democrats' misleading tactics in 2009.

Israel defended Obamacare, admitting it was far from perfect but shouldn't be completely scrapped. Yet, Tapper stuck to the main issue - which is that the party mendaciously misled the American people. He reminded his guests and viewers, for instance, that Obama and the Democrats were responsible for 2013's 'Lie of the Year': "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

The GOP has won this round, finally passing AHCA, but the bill is expected to look completely different once it reaches the Senate - if it reaches the Senate.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortn...ems-for-mendacious-obamacare-passage-n2322775

 

[Covertibility]

Voters attending a packed town hall in Idaho booed and shouted down their Republican congressman after he attempted to defend the House passing a replacement for Obamacare by telling the crowd “no one’ in the US dies from lack of health care.

Appearing less than 24 hours after the GOP-dominated House of Representatives passed the American Health Care Act (AHCA), Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID) was on the receiving end of complaints from the audience and at one time admonished them to stop being rude, reports the Idaho Statesman.

At the town hall at Lewis-Clark State College in Lewiston, Idaho, Labrador was confronted by a woman who told the lawmaker that she feared the loss of health care protection under Medicaid would result in deaths.

“That line is so indefensible,” Labrador said. “Nobody dies because they don’t have access to health care.”

Labrador’s comment was immediately shouted down by the crowd.

Being booed at town halls is not something new for Labrador who received similar treatment in April when he told a town hall audience that he doesn’t believe health care is a “basic human right.”

Watch the video below via YouTube:

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So he wants the sick to occupy the emergency rooms ? #OccupyER

 

[jem]

how many times are you going to misrepresent obama and the insurance companies obamacare.
It passed without a single republican vote. your team had the power to pass single payer... but the whores or your party.... Pelosi Reid and Obama found ways to covert the 100 or so democrat holdouts for single payer... to insurance company care.

I have linked to pbs specials and newspapers showing you that many times

Obamacare raised deductibles and charged people for plans which included services they would never need.
It was designed by insurance companies and passed by establishment whores.

Now the same cronies are going to have the republicans sacrifice themselves for they same bullshit with a different name.

bad healthcare plans.

instead of making insurance companies compete across state lines and insure large pools for less money for each individual.

You may be right. We all know that O'Romneycare in based on the Heritage foundation blueprint, a thoroughly Republican plan. What many democrats wanted was single payer, but they would have settled for the public option. To get anything at all through, without even a single Republican vote, big compromises had to be offered to several Republicans dressed up in donkey suits. And the party did what they had to do to get something through both houses. And god help us. Big compromises had to be offered, like mandated coverage, to get the insurance companies on board, and then to keep them there. All those compromises are some of the reasons medical care in the U.S. still costs 100% more then the next highest cost nation, and with less good results! Despite all the crappiness, O'bombneycare provides so much better access than what many had before, that even though it's not very good, people don't want to go back to no access at all, like still pertains in the Red states that did not expand medicaid for purely political reasons. This kind of nonsense makes we want to pick up and move to a decent country, but I'm too old for that.

 

[piezoe]

how many times are you going to misrepresent obama and the insurance companies obamacare.
It passed without a single republican vote. .... Pelosi Reid and Obama found ways to covert the 100 or so democrat holdouts for single payer... to insurance company care.

I have linked to pbs specials and newspapers showing you that many times

Obamacare raised deductibles and charged people for plans which included services they would never need.
It was designed by insurance companies and passed by establishment whores.

Now the same cronies are going to have the republicans sacrifice themselves for they same bullshit with a different name.

bad healthcare plans.

instead of making insurance companies compete across state lines and insure large pools for less money for each individual.

You're like the alternative fact lady. Just saying something doesn't make it true. The advantage of alternative facts is obvious, they don't have to be true to be "facts". To get me to believe the odd things you claim such as "your team had the power to pass single payer..." you'd have to back your statements with actual "facts". But, on the other hand, what's not to like about alternative facts when your looking for validation of a nutty idea?

 

[piezoe]

When I looked at the recent history of medical insurance premiums, which saw incredibly steep increases leading up to implementation of O'Romneycare, it appeared as though Insurers were acting in anticipation of some kind of national medical care program being enacted, and they wanted to get premiums up as high as possible in anticipation that they might be subjected to cost control. It's an incredibly transparent move on their part when you look at the timing. (look it up for yourselves). Now it is claimed that Obamacare brought premiums down. This is flat wrong if you interpret that statement at face value. But what the ACA did do is bring them way down compared to projected premiums using an extrapolation of the rate data for the incredibly large and rapidly accelerating increases in years immediately leading up to enactment of the ACA. I maintain that the impetus behind these steep increases may not have been actual claims history, but could have been in anticipation that Congress would pass some kind of universal care reform with tight cost controls. We don't have access to real claims data -- we would if insurers fell under the DOC, but they don't because of McCarran-Ferguson -- so we can only guess at the reason behind the incredibly steep premium increases leading up to implementation of the ACA. As it is we are like mushrooms being kept in the dark.

If the steep increases in premiums leading up to Obamacare are legitimate, then the claims that Obamacare has brought down premiums on the basis of projections has some merit, otherwise it is bogus. (For example, based on projected, i.e., extrapolated*, premiums for employer provided insurance, premiums under the ACA have come down by an average of $3600 per family.)

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*I.E., one just assumes that the sky high premium hikes leading up to implementation of the ACA would have continued at the same astronomical rate had the ACA not been implemented. A highly dubious assumption as far as I'm concerned. In other words, as a natural skeptical person, I can't escape a very strong hunch that we mushrooms are the victims of some substantial insurance premium manipulation unrelated to actual claims experience.