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Quote from hypostomus:

Well, since you are an information theorist, and just to keep the banter going, those of us who haven't quite convinced ourselves that the market is all signal, and may just be a mite noisy, like to think that various estimation and decision theories might have some value, like Kalman filtering. So I run filters on price and volume. A mere superstition, no doubt. Just as I am prone to mistake noise for signal, I am also prone to miss signal in noise.


The problem is that
when you define the profile
of the noise you want to filter out, it changes.
Slippery business, isn't it?

The neural net inside your head is capable of adapting faster
than any other adaptive filter you may want to use.
(Let's also stress here that the indicators/filters we started
talking about in this thread aren't even adaptive...
Pick your parameters, and live with them.)
 
Quote from KS96:

When are people going to understand
that all those indicators are derivatives of price
and actually provide *less* information than the price itself?
And they have absolutely no forcasting value whatsoever...


Looking at the failure rate of 'traders', it becomes clear that approximately 95% never "understand" that principle. I'm simply amazed at how many people follow the losers before them by thinking they have somehow found the secret to an indicator.

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So how does price tell anything? If it is expensive it is overbought? How price reacts to news? How price reacts to support/resistance? How price reacts to yesterdays high/low/close?
 
Quote from Pekelo:

So far 1 signal, 20 points gain with the YM. Nice....


Good for you! You buy beers for us tonight.
We will buy for you another day :D

Let's see... Stoch(14,3,5) gave a great sell yesterday
at 13:55CET in FESX: 55 full points in a few hours until stochs
crossed above 50 again! Trading is easy!
 
Quote from just21:

So how does price tell anything? If it is expensive it is overbought?

There is no such thing as "overbought".
Price-derived indicators cannot tell you
how many traders are still queued to buy.
 
ST, understanding Kalman filtering gives one a unique understanding of the mathematical nature of indicators.

IF:

the signal in price could be described by a physical model,

the noise in price could be described statistically,

and the noise in the measurement of price could be described statistically,

THEN one could create a multi-dimensional filter which would estimate the future value of the signal component of price to the greatest theoretically possible accuracy.

A corollary to the theory of Kalman filtering is that EVERY mathematical operation (like an ma) on a time series (like price) is an ideal Kalman filter for some potentially infinite number of combinations of the above three conditions. The sad part of indicator invention is that the people who do this don't realize that. Every indicator is a perfect solution to an unknown problem.
 
Quote from hypostomus:

ST, understanding Kalman filtering gives one a unique understanding of the mathematical nature of indicators.

IF:

the signal in price could be described by a physical model,

the noise in price could be described statistically,

and the noise in the measurement of price could be described statistically,

THEN one could create a multi-dimensional filter which would estimate the future value of the signal component of price to the greatest theoretically possible accuracy.

A corollary to the theory of Kalman filtering is that EVERY mathematical operation (like an ma) on a time series (like price) is an ideal Kalman filter for some potentially infinite number of combinations of the above three conditions. The sad part of indicator invention is that the people who do this don't realize that. Every indicator is a perfect solution to an unknown problem.



Already discussed at length with concensus that it provides no tradable edge.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49502&perpage=6&pagenumber=1


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