Will they please stop publishing great books!

I understand what you are saying. I will start a thread just for you and Larr G Wang here:

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55691

nitro
Quote from bali_survivor:

I am aware of that. This is a trading website and putting it in perspective of trading was the easiest example to give.

Another example can be the internet. The origins were a communication channel for research and yet these days it is like an old gossip environment with more half truths and untruths than truths. Another thing would be eBay: Initially a wonderfull place to buy / sell but my brother calls it "the great scam site". If you cannot sell it anywhere else (because it is broken etc) then you give it a nice write up, lie through your teeth and put it on eBay damn well knowning that the electronics of the camera, computer, etc are fried.

I have no doubt that it is applicable to all other subject material too.

This is the age of mass deceit.

Maria
 
Quote from nitro:

I agree.

But if you are already an expert in the field enough that you can tell that the book is bogus, you would not know that it is bogus until you read it. Then, you would give a bad review of it and explain why it is bad.

So instead of making generalizations, instead engage people in a dialogue on particular subjects that the book deals with, or the book itself. That is what Maria is attempting above in regards to trading books, and you are trying to emphasize in nutrition as another example of bad books.

But I have mentioned no books on trading and no books on nutrition. You could start a thread called, "Willl they please stop printing bad books" and put your choices in there, instead of making generalizations in this thread:

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55691

nitro

Bad book?? What's that? I can't believe you miss my point. There is no such thing as a bad book only "bad" readers. That is to say a [bad] reader has no insight.

LGW
 
Quote from Larr G Wang:

Bad book?? What's that? I can't believe you miss my point. There is no such thing as a bad book only "bad" readers. That is to say a [bad] reader has no insight.

LGW
I don't disagree with that either. I do get your point more each time, but again, I don't see how that applies to this thread.

For those that want to become good "insightful" readers, here is the classic on the subject:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...102-6924341-9312168?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

"How to Read a Book"

nitro
 
What is the underlying cause?
In order to discuss this in any useful manner, let's limit ourselves to SCIENTIFIC knowledge.

Till about 50 years ago, the training of engineers and scientists was such that many (not all) still had a reasonable grasp of what constitutes knowledge of a scientific kind. The general public, politicians included, generally realized that this kind of knowledge resided with these trained few.

These days, any kid in the street 'goes to school' and is taught in the most rascally manner. Many come out and can't even read. The grownup general public has been brainwashed in believing that science is something to be shared by all in our democratic everyday Disneyland, process diligently fostered by our slick politicians. Science and Religion are even treated as some kind of a unified theory, used by some to disprove the existence of God, by others to prove the existence of God, both in a most scientific gobbledygook manner.

In fact, these days many (most?) engineers and scientist will gladly entertain you by mouthing off about 'science' without having the foggiest notion about what is meant by 'scientific knowledge'. Worse, few university professors would be able to give you a cogent answer, so don't blame their students.

If you ever wondered about the tower of Babel predicament in biblical times, looking at our today's situation may help you understand. This is in my opinion the message Prof. Kapitza tried to convey to the current generation when referring to 'pollution of information'.

nononsense
 
Quote from nitro:

I don't disagree with that either. I do get your point more each time, but again, I don't see how that applies to this thread.

For those that want to become good "insightful" readers, here is the classic on the subject:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...102-6924341-9312168?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

"How to Read a Book"

nitro

It applies because YOU made a statement about your highly developed sense of smell. I disagree, you may have developed a great crap detector in matters of trading due to your years of devotion, but in very little else. There is no such thing as a "general crap detector", all are specific to an endeavour or context.

LGW

ps I have that book; it's a good one
 
On the contrary!!!! I became a good trader because of my prior experience and success with dealing in the mastery of subjects using the scientific method! That is all the "crap detector" means - maybe a very scaled down version of it...

I have acquired expertise in several "fields" and each time I have acquired new expertise, it is easier because I have learned to learn. Part of that skill is the "crap detector."

I treat the acquiring of all knowledge in the same dialectical manner. It works for me.

nitro
Quote from Larr G Wang:

It applies because YOU made a statement about your highly developed sense of smell. I disagree, you may have developed a great crap detector in matters of trading due to your years of devotion, but in very little else. There is no such thing as a "general crap detector", all are specific to an endeavour or context.

LGW

ps I have that book; it's a good one
 
Quote from nononsense:

If you ever think back about the biblical tower of Babel, this may not be very far of the mark. This is in my opinion the message Prof. Kapitza tried to convey to the current generation when referring to 'pollution of information'.

nononsense

NN

You know what dad reckoned was the biblical tower of Babel in todays society?

The internet! The whole lot has so many protocols, is so fragile and if something happens to it today then it will affect most aspects of "modern" life in the western world. That is out achilles heel!

Waste, water treatment plants in the UK, electricity grids in the US controlled from some obscure business in India? If something goes down then no-one knows how to fix it. In this light it will be interesting to see how the future of New Orleans is shaping up.

Dad could not believe it when a number of years ago in Auckland, New Zealand the electricity grid failed and the centre of the business district went without power for months (with subsequent business faliures). He was at the time in Manilla and there power off was a weekly occurence. No problem, they all had their own little emergency generator and up it was started and life went on. The Philippinos were laughing at New Zealands inability to cope with an incovenience while they in a third world country had no problems with such an occurance at all.
 
Quote from nitro:

On the contrary!!!! I became a good trader because of my prior experience and success with dealing in the mastery of subjects using the scientific method! That is all the "crap detector" means - maybe a very scaled down version of it...

I have acquired expertise in several "fields" and each time I have acquired new expertise, it is easier because I have learned to learn. Part of that skill is the "crap detector."

I treat the acquiring of all knowledge in the same dialectical manner. It works for me.

nitro

What you are saying [with reference to your "scientific method"] is that you have merely learned to apply a loose set of practical rules to gain leverage on the complexity of the subject matter.

(For the simple reason you have no true comprehension of the subject in first place)

Don't confuse your "scientific" approach with specific insight in the subject matter. It's not the same thing..

LGW
 
Quote from bali_survivor:

NN

You know what dad reckoned was the biblical tower of Babel in todays society?

The internet! ...
Hi Maria,

The internet! Yeah!
Continuing in the same vein, some have observed that up till Guthenberg in the 15th century, a scholar used to be kind of alike to a beggar. Book printing changed all this in the most radical way. We are still riding on the coattails of Guthenberg's contraption. If I understood it correctly, these days, you even need to buy a book explaining you how to read books. (Book Reading for Dummies?)

If they ever had internet in Babel, it must have gotten lost with the collapse of the tower project.
:D

nononsense
 
There is much flatulance here, perhaps that is what is being sniffed out. I am an recognized expert on flatulance and plan to someday write a book. I think I'll do it with scratch and sniff augmentation. I may even write a how to book about properly scratching and sniffing. Hmmm, some interviews may be in order for this project.
 
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