You truly have an IQ in the double digits....
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Why would a Governor care about a state trooper
- Thread starter WaveStrider
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You truly have an IQ in the double digits....
Nice grab. I hadn't seen these most disturbing allegations.
Quote from OldTrader:
http://townhall.com/blog/g/bcd9ee89-b16e-40ec-948f-d2dab47baf2e
PALIN FIRED A WIFE BEATER IN 'TROOPERGATE'
Democrats pushing "Troopergate" are getting closer and closer to defending the records of two abusive men who have threatened family members and on occasion taken violent action towards them.
Alaska's former Public Safety Commisioner Walt Monegan and state trooper Mike Wooten both have a distrubing history of abuse. Monegan, of course, is the man who Democrats believe GOP vice presidential contender Sarah Palin improperly fired as Alaskan Governor and who is at the center of their controversial "Troopergate" inquiry. Wooten is Palin's former brother-in-law who Democrats think Palin unethically pressured Monegan to terminate.
Via the San Francisco Chronicle Monegan admitted dislocating his wife's shoulder "by accident" by "wrestling and tickling" her. His estranged wife, Georgene Moldovan, tells another story.
Moldovan sought a restraining order against him in 1994 after he threatened to kill her, waved a gun at her and knocked her shoulder out of socket, according to court papers. The court papers say: "he pulled out his gun and waved it at me outside my home and yelled he would kill me if I stopped him."
Moldovan told the SF Chronicle that Monegan "would show up unannounced and break into my apartment and do threatening things. I was forced to get a restraining order because I was really fearful he was going to harm me." She said he also threatened to throw her body into a cold, Alaskan river.
Monegan, for his part, said his ex-wife was telling "either half-truths or pure fabrications."
Governor Palin fired Monegan earlier this year for insubordination. Democrats have accused Palin of "abusing her power" in firing Monegan, who was a political appointee. The Alaskan legislature is now leading an ethics investigation to determine if Palin improperly fired Monegan.
Palin's foes say Palin really fired Monegan over his refusal to terminate trooper Wooten, not for his insubordination. Wooten recently ended a bitter marriage with Palin's sister, Molly.
Like Monegan, Wooten has a violent history with family members. He's admitted to âtaseringâ his stepson and has been accused of threatening to kill his former father-in-law, Palin's dad.
Quote from james_bond_3rd:
Just because someone deserves to be shot doesn't mean that everyone has the right to shoot him.
You're right. However, it is a bit more complicated. In this instance, the person doing the shooting has her own ulterior motive for doing so. Therefore to quote you "Just because someone deserves to be shot doesn't mean that everyone has the right to shoot him" compounded by the fact that the person1 doing the shooting is doing so not because the person2 deserves to be shot but because she was settling her own personal vendetta in the ensuing process.
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
Nice grab. I hadn't seen these most disturbing allegations.
Why is it a nice grab? The guy is almost certainly a dirtbag, however that doesn't make Palin's actions, to fire someone else to get to him, legal or ethical.
And her defense that he took an unauthorized trip has turned out to be false.
Here's the document authorizing the trip:
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/TA.pdf
Looks like she made another mistake. Also, it looks like she'd better stop saying anything about it and go back to stonewalling.
Re read the story. This isn't more Trooper Wooten stuff. This is wife beating allegations against Monegan.
Quote from bigdavediode:
Why is it a nice grab? The guy is almost certainly a dirtbag, however that doesn't make Palin's actions, to fire someone else to get to him, legal or ethical.
And her defense that he took an unauthorized trip has turned out to be false.
Here's the document authorizing the trip:
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/TA.pdf
Looks like she made another mistake. Also, it looks like she'd better stop saying anything about it and go back to stonewalling.
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
Re read the story. This isn't more Trooper Wooten stuff. This is wife beating allegations against Monegan.
I think a good question might we whether Monegan disclosed this wife beating in his employment records. In other words, he may have perjured himself. That alone would be grounds for termination.
OldTrader
Monegan may or may not have beaten his wife. If he is found guilty of having physically abused his spouse he should be meted out punishment as per the law. However, it does not detract from the dispute being investigated viz whether Palin abused her power when she fired Monegan. Palin claims she terminated Monegan due to" insubordination on budget issues". Au contraire, Monegan alleges he was fired because he refused to terminate a state trooper who was involved in a bitter divorce with the governor's sister.
Monegan having beaten his wife (yet to be proven) has nothing to do with why Palin fired him - "for insubordination on budget issues" and the dispute being investigated - Whether Monegan was fired because he declined to remove Trooper Wooten from employment because of his involvement in an acrimonious divorce with the Governor's sister.
Monegan having beaten his wife (yet to be proven) has nothing to do with why Palin fired him - "for insubordination on budget issues" and the dispute being investigated - Whether Monegan was fired because he declined to remove Trooper Wooten from employment because of his involvement in an acrimonious divorce with the Governor's sister.
Quote from WaveStrider:
I wasn't really paying attention to this crap - seemed like a lot of noise.
But then I was thinking - why would a Gov and people near her care about a state trooper? Was he at a level where he was protecting high ranking officials or was he just a grunt?
If the 1st - then yeah, they probably are more concerned. If #2, then she shouldn't be reaching down the line to get at him. His boss should be dealing with him. Wouldn't a Gov have more important stuff to tend to?
sounds like a woman scorned type of deal.
She probably pulled down her pants and he refused.
never under estimate women's emotions.
that's why they make the worst leaders.
Quote from ak15:
Monegan may or may not have beaten his wife. If he is found guilty of having physically abused his spouse he should be meted out punishment as per the law. However, it does not detract from the dispute being investigated viz whether Palin abused her power when she fired Monegan. Palin claims she terminated Monegan due to" insubordination on budget issues". Au contraire, Monegan alleges he was fired because he refused to terminate a state trooper who was involved in a bitter divorce with the governor's sister.
Monegan having beaten his wife (yet to be proven) has nothing to do with why Palin fired him - "for insubordination on budget issues" and the dispute being investigated - Whether Monegan was fired because he declined to remove Trooper Wooten from employment because of his involvement in an acrimonious divorce with the Governor's sister.
Here's more info for you from the SF Chronicle (by the way, the ex-wife is an emergency room doctor, and Professor at Stanford University):
In October 1994, Monegan's estranged wife, who had moved from Alaska to the Peninsula with the couple's two daughters after more than 10 years of marriage, sought a temporary restraining order against him - accusing Monegan of threatening to kill her, waving a gun at her and dislocating her shoulder, according to her declaration on file in Santa Clara County Superior Court.
In an interview last week, Georgene Moldovan said Monegan had threatened several times to throw her body in an Alaska river.
Monegan, 57, who has since remarried, vigorously denied Moldovan's allegations, both in court papers filed at the time and in an interview with us last week. "I'm not a door slammer - I don't punch walls," he said.
Monegan admitted to dislocating Moldovan's shoulder, but said it was an accident that had happened before they were married, while they "were wrestling and tickling."
Moldovan was an emergency room doctor and professor at Stanford and shuttled back and forth from Alaska to the Peninsula the last seven years of their marriage. Monegan asked her for a divorce in 1993, but snapped when he learned he might lose the couple's house, she says.
One day in April 1993, she said in her court filing, "he pulled out his gun and waved it at me outside my home and yelled he would kill me if I stopped him."
In the interview, Moldovan said Monegan "would show up unannounced and break into my apartment and do threatening things. I was forced to get a restraining order because I was really fearful he was going to harm me."
Monegan denounced the allegations as "either half-truths or pure fabrications." He points out that Moldovan made her accusations in the midst of a bitter fight over who would get the couple's daughters.
If any of the allegations had been documented, he said, he would have been fired from his Anchorage police job and never been hired by Palin as Alaska's top cop in 2006.
As for whether any of his own troubles might have clouded his judgment in dealing with Palin's ex-brother-in-law amid his messy divorce, Monegan says no.
"In a nutshell, I never have and I never will condone domestic violence," he said.
And while Monegan hasn't spoken to his ex-wife in years, he says, he is still on very good terms with her first husband - Alaska's U.S. attorney, Nelson Cohen.
Again, the question is whether he disclosed any of these items and allegations to the Anchorage police department or Palin. If he didn't, he likely perjured himself. Failure to disclose this type of material event to a prospective employer would definitely be a cause for termination.
OldTrader