"Why won't God heal amputees?"

[jem]

Quote from lkh:

Proof #33 - Contemplate the crucifixion

Have you ever thought about how bizarre the crucifixion story is? Imagine the all-powerful, all-knowing creator of the universe sitting on his magnificent throne in heaven. He looks down onto earth and says to himself:

Those evil humans down on earth. I hate what they are doing. All this sin...
Since I am all-knowing I know exactly what the humans are doing and I understand exactly why they commit each sin. Since I created the humans in my own image and personally programmed human nature into their brains, I am the direct author of all of this sin. The instant I created them I knew exactly what would happen with every single human being right down to the nanosecond level for all eternity. If I didn't like how it was going to turn out, I could have simply changed them when I created them. And since I am perfect, I know exactly what I am doing. But ignore all that. I hate all these people doing exactly what I perfectly designed them to do and knew they would do from the moment I created them. I HATE IT! I tried killing all the humans and animals once in the flood. That certainly did not fix the problem.

So here's what I am going to do. I will artificially inseminate a virgin. She will give birth to an incarnated version of me. The humans will eventually crucify and kill the incarnated me. That, finally, will make me happy. Yes, sending myself down and having the humans crucify me -- that will satisfy me. I feel much better now.

It makes no sense, does it? Why would an all-knowing being need to have humans kill himself (Jesus is God, after all) to make himself happy? Especially since it is a perfect God who set the whole thing in motion exactly the way he wanted it? The whole story of the crucifixion is absurd from top to bottom if you actually stop to think about it.
If you believe the story of Jesus, Jesus clearly knew that he is God. In John chapter 14, verse 8 we find this:

Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and we shall be satisfied." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father."
So it makes you wonder about Jesus' famous lamenation in Matthew 27:46:
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Since Jesus is God, what he really must have meant is: "Myself, myself, why have I forsaken me?" Which of course makes absolutely no sense.
The reason why the crucifixion makes no sense is because God is imaginary.

When I ocassionally read your posts, I realize how disingenuous you are. Researching this post I now see you seem to be taking these questions from Muslim websites. Which semms to explain why you seem to have no regard for the proper context or acknowledging the fact the other side has as good or better arguments countering the implicit claims you are making. I see this problem over and over again on the muslm cirtique cites. The scholarship is weak.

To respond to this question I can quickly tell you that many sat Jesus's last words were a reference to Psalm 22 which begings with the words.
My God My God why has thou forsaken me.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

stu, the clear minded adult

...so very grown up as to play parrot.

Extremely funny...

stu, the clear minded adult demonstrates his "reasoning process" below:

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Quote from stu:

ZZzz, the clear minded who got his bottom spanked in another thread, works out his resentments here....an entirely different thread, entirely different topic.

Nice job ZZzz! How very, very clear minded of you.

ROTFLMAO...

 

[lkh]

Quote from jem:

When I occasionally read your posts, I realize how disingenuous you are. Researching this post I now see you seem to be taking these questions from Muslim websites. Which semms to explain why you seem to have no regard for the proper context or acknowledging the fact the other side has as good or better arguments countering the implicit claims you are making. I see this problem over and over again on the muslm cirtique cites. The scholarship is weak.

To respond to this question I can quickly tell you that many sat Jesus's last words were a reference to Psalm 22 which begings with the words.
My God My God why has thou forsaken me.

Wrong about the muslim sites. Islam is just as much imaginary as christianity.
I am accomplishing my goal if you are at least reading the material. That means there is hope even for you. Eventually you will have questions and a questioning mind is the enemy of faith. Its not a bad thing. Its liberating to be a freethinker.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

If you are truly applying a questioning mind, then you must know that you have to question the very foundations of your intellect, senses, and reasoning ability.

Unless you think that your intellect, senses, and reason are infinite and infallible (which would give you a god complex), you would have to reach the conclusion that human intellect, senses, and reason are severely limited...therefore could never be sufficient to have full faith in them to reveal the truth.

I have seen such people who truly did the work of deeply questioning their senses, intellect, and reasoning process...generally they are institutionalized or they walk like a corkscrew.

Assuming you are not walking like a corkscrew or in an institution, I must assume that you have taken on faith that your intellect, senses, and reasoning ability are not actually deceiving you and preventing you from the real truth of life.

So you practice faith in the intellect, senses, and human reason.

I have no problem with your religion, your choice.

Others make other choices.

So, since you faithfully practice your own religion, why the need to try and make other religions wrong?

Could it be that in fact you do have some deep doubt in your own "god" of intellect, senses, and reasoning ability that needs to be confirmed by attack of others and their respective belief systems?

Quote from lkh:

Wrong about the muslim sites. Islam is just as much imaginary as christianity.
I am accomplishing my goal if you are at least reading the material. That means there is hope even for you. Eventually you will have questions and a questioning mind is the enemy of faith. Its not a bad thing. Its liberating to be a freethinker.

 

[stu]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Unless you think that your intellect, senses, and reason are infinite and infallible, you would have to reach the conclusion that human intellect, senses, and reason are severely limited...therefore could never be sufficient to have full faith in them.

How would you reach that conclusion without using your intellect, senses, and reason ?

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

So, since you faithfully practice your own religion, why the need to try and make other religions wrong?

..so why the need for you to use your our intellect, senses, and reason to try and make another's argument against religion wrong?

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Quote from stu:

How would you reach that conclusion without using your intellect, senses, and reason ?

Faith.

..so why the need for you to use your our intellect, senses, and reason to try and make another's argument against religion wrong?

I am not engaging in making their arguments wrong.

I am just questioning the tools they use in fashioning their arguments.

I have said this so many times stu, I have no problem with your religion, be happy with it.

However, I don't see contentment from the ET atheists who have a need to attack the belief systems of others, when in fact they are using their own belief system to do so, I see a continual need to attack the theists and I don't know why that is.

 

[stu]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Quote from stu:

How would you reach that conclusion without using your intellect, senses, and reason ?

Faith.

..so why the need for you to use your our intellect, senses, and reason to try and make another's argument against religion wrong?

Faith.

requires intellect, senses, and reason to determine it is faith.

 

[stu]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:



However, I don't see contentment from the ET atheists who have a need to attack the belief systems of others, when in fact they are using their own belief system to do so, I see a continual need to attack the theists and I don't know why that is.

you see attack, others see lively discussion on the why and wherefore, that's all. Anything institutionalized is not private personal faith and is up to query and criticism. Religion is therefore justifiably open to query and condemnation where appropriate.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Not my faith, no it doesn't.

You can't speak to my faith, now can you? Since you don't really know what it is.

You can only speak to your own faith....which you have in spades.

I am happy that you have a faith that works for you, tell me why you are not happy that others have faith that works for them?

Why the need to attack others and their faith?

Quote from stu:

requires intellect, senses, and reason to determine it is faith.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

You consider calling others "childish" lively?

Okay, so shall we get really lively and just go for full on name calling and skip all the boring civility?

Quote from stu:

you see attack, others see lively discussion on the why and wherefore that's all.