"Why won't God heal amputees?"

[TM_Direct]

never ceases to amaze me how a bunch of pesky humans here on earth for a minute amount of time, act like we are so KNOWING about creation, the universe and our earth...we are so scientific and smart.....but know so little.....whatever happened to Pluto??????LOL..we have no idea how we came to be yet we talk with such authority on why there is no God.

 

[seneca_roman]

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never ceases to amaze me how a bunch of pesky humans here on earth for a minute amount of time, act like we are so KNOWING about creation, the universe and our earth...we are so scientific and smart.....but know so little.....whatever happened to Pluto??????LOL..we have no idea how we came to be yet we talk with such authority on why there is no God.

I find you guilty of using a straw man fallacy.

Pluto is still there merrily going around the sun.

No one knows if there is or is not a God and no one should take an authoritative position either way. Science does not preclude the existance of a God and the Bible or any other of the numerous holy books prove a God exists.

Seneca

 

[stu]

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never ceases to amaze me how a bunch of pesky humans here on earth for a minute amount of time, act like we are so KNOWING about creation, the universe and our earth...we are so scientific and smart.....but know so little.....whatever happened to Pluto??????LOL..we have no idea how we came to be yet we talk with such authority on why there is no God.

...here endeth the lesson on

the theists' plea for ignorance

 

[TM_Direct]

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I find you guilty of using a straw man fallacy.

Pluto is still there merrily going around the sun.

No one knows if there is or is not a God and no one should take an authoritative position either way. Science does not preclude the existence of a God and the Bible or any other of the numerous holy books prove a God exists.

Seneca

No one knows if there is or is not a god? He sent his son to earth and rose from the dead.....but since you do not accept it as evidence, you say there is no proof......But a bunch of Scientist decide something is not a planet and you all just say..."ok, enough proof for me"

 

[seneca_roman]

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No one knows if there is or is not a god? He sent his son to earth and rose from the dead.....but since you do not accept it as evidence, you say there is no proof......But a bunch of Scientist decide something is not a planet and you all just say..."ok, enough proof for me"

I declare you to be using the fallacy of circular logic. Since the Bible told of Jesus rising from the dead and since the bible declares itself the word of God, a classic case of circular logic.

I never said there is no God. I said no one can prove it one way or the other. The Bible is not proof nor is it disproof. It is neither.
Science can neither prove or disprove the existence of a God or many Gods. Gods are in the realm of the supernatural while science deals with the natural world.

Planets are defined by scientists. They can have it any way the want as they are the authority that decides what is or is not a planet. A planet is a somewhat arbitrary definition. How a scientists defines a planet has nothing to do with a debate of God's existence. I believe bringing the scientific debate over Pluto's status into a theological debate is a classic fundie use of straw man fallacy with a bit of false premise thrown in.

Gravity once was defined by Newton. It was later defined differently and better by Einstien. Einstein's definitions are now being questioned. That is how science works.


Seneca

"The priests used to say that faith can move mountains, and nobody believed them. Today the scientists say that they can level mountains, and nobody doubts them."

 

[TM_Direct]

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I declare you to be using the fallacy of circular logic. Since the Bible told of Jesus rising from the dead and since the bible declares itself the word of God, a classic case of circular logic.

Uhmm OK...I declare you to be mentally challenged, but that doesn't make it true or correct. BTW....the bible has psalms written by men and acknowledges that....just like the new testament...your not understandign the use of "this is the word of the lord"

I never said there is no God. I said no one can prove it one way or the other.
Uhmmm....What is the burden of proof? I gave you proof...you don't accept it because you weren't there....yet you probably would accept the fact that there is molten rock at the core of the earth, yet no one has been there either...its all speculation based on volcanos.


The Bible is not proof nor is it disproof. It is neither.

Its one of the oldest and only sources of our origin....can you give me 5 other history books as widely accepted?

Science can neither prove or disprove the existence of a God or many Gods.

Nor can they prove or disprove the existence of LOVE....do you believe in love?

Gods are in the realm of the supernatural while science deals with the natural world.

Really??? They look out million sof miles away and see a spot and decide its a planet, star, milky way, new galaxy, life or no life.....all from a piece of glass light years away???

I believe bringing the scientific debate over Pluto's status into a theological debate is a classic fundie use of straw man fallacy with a bit of false premise thrown in.

I believe your wrong....does the prove one write or wrong?


Gravity once was defined by Newton. It was later defined differently and better by Einstein. Einstein's definitions are now being questioned. That is how science works.

Exactly my point.....you probably accepted Einstein definition because it was based on SCIENCE and FACT!...yet , now we are questioning what was accepted as fact for a long time....SOooooo...my original point was amazement that tiny humans who have been on this planet a fraction of time are debating the existence of god LOL LOL...don't get me wrong, its good to debate and discuss....but we know so little yet talk with such definiteness.

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[fhl]

Quote from seneca_roman:

I declare you to be using the fallacy of circular logic. Since the Bible told of Jesus rising from the dead and since the bible declares itself the word of God, a classic case of circular logic.

I never said there is no God. I said no one can prove it one way or the other. The Bible is not proof nor is it disproof. It is neither.
Science can neither prove or disprove the existence of a God or many Gods. Gods are in the realm of the supernatural while science deals with the natural world.

Planets are defined by scientists. They can have it any way the want as they are the authority that decides what is or is not a planet. A planet is a somewhat arbitrary definition. How a scientists defines a planet has nothing to do with a debate of God's existence. I believe bringing the scientific debate over Pluto's status into a theological debate is a classic fundie use of straw man fallacy with a bit of false premise thrown in.

Gravity once was defined by Newton. It was later defined differently and better by Einstien. Einstein's definitions are now being questioned. That is how science works.


Seneca

"The priests used to say that faith can move mountains, and nobody believed them. Today the scientists say that they can level mountains, and nobody doubts them."

You say tm is guilty of circular logic and then you go on to say that scientists can decide for themselves anything they want about what is a planet. And, scientists are the authority about how to decide. YOU ARE GUILTY! Of what, you ask? Why of course the same type of circular logic you accuse others of.

In short, you use the same sort of illogical pagan arguments we see all the time in those foolishly trying to refute fundamental truths.

 

[lkh]

Quote from fhl:

You say tm is guilty of circular logic and then you go on to say that scientists can decide for themselves anything they want about what is a planet. And, scientists are the authority about how to decide. YOU ARE GUILTY! Of what, you ask? Why of course the same type of circular logic you accuse others of.

In short, you use the same sort of illogical pagan arguments we see all the time in those foolishly trying to refute fundamental truths.

Fundamental truths? That is so funny. Here is your chance to show us the fundamental truth.
Would you please provide one piece of evidence, without using the bible, that Jesus even existed.

 

[TM_Direct]

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Fundamental truths? That is so funny. Here is your chance to show us the fundamental truth.
Would you please provide one piece of evidence, without using the bible, that Jesus even existed.

Only if you can provide one shred of truth that.......Caesar existed, Ghangis Kahn, henry the 8th, Columbus, ......all you have is a bunch of stories, paintings and relics.....yet you probably believe in all the rest.

 

[lkh]

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never ceases to amaze me how a bunch of pesky humans here on earth for a minute amount of time, act like we are so KNOWING about creation, the universe and our earth...we are so scientific and smart.....but know so little.....whatever happened to Pluto??????LOL..we have no idea how we came to be yet we talk with such authority on why there is no God.

Pluto is now downgraded from planet status after better evidence is found so therefore God exists. Kind of a stretch is it not?
We changed our mind about Pluto the same way man figured out the bible was wrong and that biblegod does not exist. We accumulated enough evidence to decide that it never was what we thought it was.