Why We Should Never Compromise On Gun Rights

[NoodleStrudle]

Right let's ban alcohol then also.

Upon further review, gun ownership laws should be loosened, especially in Chicago. Tighter local gun laws infringe on our constitutional rights and should be overturned on that basis alone.

In addition, from a practical standpoint where criminals potentially face “immediate enforcement” when committing crimes, they may start considering other options. In other cases, increased criminal casualties will also help reduce gun crime.

However, none of these arguments address the underlying problem: Substance abuse. Substance abuse has a direct or indirect cause in a lot of gun related suicides. Furthermore, many drug dealers carry guns for protection or for “business” use as related to their profession.

Drug users frequently develop a habit they cannot afford to pay for. They use guns to quickly acquire the money they need for their next fix.

Crimes of passion involving gun use are much more likely to happen when someone is under the influence.

The vast majority of crime, including gun crime, is drug related. Does the Left want to make America safe again? For drug dealers and users?

Until we seriously address our rampant drug problem, we are just pissing in the wind and thus our citizens have a particulary valid reason to want to carry.

Upon further review, gun ownership laws should be loosened, especially in Chicago. Tighter local gun laws infringe on our constitutional rights and should be overturned on that basis alone.

In addition, from a practical standpoint where criminals potentially face “immediate enforcement” when committing crimes, they may start considering other options. In other cases, increased criminal casualties will also help reduce gun crime.

However, none of these arguments address the underlying problem: Substance abuse. Substance abuse has a direct or indirect cause in a lot of gun related suicides. Furthermore, many drug dealers carry guns for protection or for “business” use as related to their profession.

Drug users frequently develop a habit they cannot afford to pay for. They use guns to quickly acquire the money they need for their next fix.

Crimes of passion involving gun use are much more likely to happen when someone is under the influence.

The vast majority of crime, including gun crime, is drug related. Does the Left want to make America safe again? For drug dealers and users?

Until we seriously address our rampant drug problem, we are just pissing in the wind and thus our citizens have a particulary valid reason to want to carry.

 

[futurecurrents]

Five or less? What is an internal magazine?

Really?

A magazine is an ammunition storage and feeding device within or attached to a repeating firearm

 

[futurecurrents]

Are you willing to physically go door to door in order to confiscate the 200 million firearms that do not meet your criteria already in legal ownership by law abiding citizens or are you going to grandfather them in ? Don't bring up buyback because that won't work here except for fencing operations and there's serious research out there now that questions the effectiveness (in terms of the percentage of civilian-owned firearms taken out of public circulation) of the Australian program.

To sum up this argument


"Oh it's hard so we shouldn't try".

 

[futurecurrents]

I readily acknowledge that it’s the highest on Earth, absent some transient statistic representing some war-torn shithole.

I do no prescribe to the notion that absent rifles, perps would use bombs, incendiaries, etc. to commit mass killings. It’s simply too technical and inconvenient to do so. IMO the vast majority of mass shooters would not achieve the numbers they have if not for the ease of access of SA rifles.

The vast majority of mass shootings have been result of legally-obtained firearms as you have stated.

So... begs the question. Would I be willing to give up the ability to own a SA rifle in an futile attempt to reduce all gun-related homicides by say, 2,000?

No.

So, because you like your toys - cause that's what they are to gun enthusiasts - you are willing to see more kids die.

Can you defend your home from all but a zombie invasion with five rifles and five shotguns with five rounds each internal magazine only?

Unless maybe you are worried about a zombie invasion?

 

[NoodleStrudle]

Your constitutional right so you can fight against a rogue gone government? Don't make me laugh. You rather shoot yourself in the foot than hitting a single bird, old man.

This thread illustrates my central point in starting it. It is foolish and self-defeating for gun rights advocates to compromise on anything. The reason is no compromise will ever be adequate, up to and including confiscation. You could have said I was using hyperbole, but the UK has actually now gone beyond gun confiscation to knife control. The point of a compromise is that both sides concede ground and solve the issue in the middle. There is no middle with anti-gun zealots. They see, and quite rightly, every concession as the starting point for the next round of concessions. They see our willingness to give ground and get nothing in response as an acknowledgement of their moral superiority and our evilness.

Republican officeholders must be sent a clear and simple message. You can sell us out on every other issue and we might overlook it, but not on gun rights. Those are non-negotiable, you know, like a Constitutional right or something. Cross us and you're done.

 

[NoodleStrudle]

Total bogus. But hey as long as the talking points align with your gun religion why not posting some shit no matter how wrong.

Not sure if this true. Then again, I am not sure that it is not.

 

[NoodleStrudle]

You forgot to mention that it's utterly utopian to claim that someone no matter how well trained, can get an assault rifle at home out of the locked closet, load it, aim and shoot faster than a home invader with a hand gun. But of course assault weapons are claimed to be necessary for home defense.

There is only one side that is disingenuous and to be honest I am not too worried about the timing of large scale restrictions on gun ownership. Because it will come. I just feel sad about the many more people that have to die before the grand mass shooting will happen after which this circus and hypocritical gun theatre will be shut down for good.

So, because you like your toys - cause that's what they are to gun enthusiasts - you are willing to see more kids die.

Can you defend your home from all but a zombie invasion with five rifles and five shotguns with five rounds each internal magazine only?

Unless maybe you are worried about a zombie invasion?

 

[destriero]

Really?

A magazine is an ammunition storage and feeding device within or attached to a repeating firearm

Internal magazine?

 

[destriero]

You forgot to mention that it's utterly utopian to claim that someone no matter how well trained, can get an assault rifle at home out of the locked closet, load it, aim and shoot faster than a home invader with a hand gun. But of course assault weapons are claimed to be necessary for home defense.

There is only one side that is disingenuous and to be honest I am not too worried about the timing of large scale restrictions on gun ownership. Because it will come. I just feel sad about the many more people that have to die before the grand mass shooting will happen after which this circus and hypocritical gun theatre will be shut down for good.

Solid oak double entry doors. Retracting floor bolts. You’d need a few minutes with an axe to get through. Double-pane windows to break and climb through. Alarmed as well.

So a guy breaking in, tripping an alarm, who doesn’t know the layout of the house—is going to have an edge over a homeowner who has lived there for 18 years?

You’re a complete fucking tool. I’ll PM my address... you try to break in without gaining a pound or so of jacketed hollow points.

 

[NoodleStrudle]

Lol, just proves with what kind of nut cases America is dealing with. OMG. You said everything there is to say. I wish you live happily ever after in your high tech alarm secured, highly weaponized, double entry door retracting floor bolt, oak door castle. Can I give you a suggestion on the way : usually only total dicks, pricks, guys who are assholes to everyone on the street and in life are worthy to be invaded by gangbangers out for revenge. The rest of the planet has nothing to fear. Only in the brains of some gun fetishists swirls the constant fear of home invasions. And why would anyone invade a house that sits at 124 Johnson Street close to the commercial zone and is inhabited by a blue collar worker? Yes right, only if that owner is a total asshole and pissed someone off so badly that he has to fear for his life. Go on with your fear ridden life in utopia land. I for one have never had my home invaded, know nobody who was raped (for which I am thankful) have never been in a single brawl or fight with anyone , do not own guns and see zero need to own one, my wife feels safe and confident. But then we also don't go to sleazy places, don't hang out at bars nor walk dark alleys, don't show off super cars, don't ever condescendingly treat others of lesser means or income and actively volunteer in our communities. So far people around us seem to love us. And no, we don't live in any fenced communities. Maybe, perhaps maybe, guns are for people who have something to fear, and perhaps, maybe perhaps, that fear correlates with an offensive and aggressive attitude towards others....just suggesting...

PS.: Both I and my wife have master degrees from 2 of the best schools in the US , both command a sizable income and net worth and both work in finance. We should be prime targets for home invaders. Guess being nice and helpful to others and respectful to those of lesser means and helping out others where we can somehow correlates with not being a target. Nobody whom we know had their home ever invaded either. Must be a thing for a different group of people

Solid oak double entry doors. Retracting floor bolts. You’d need a few minutes with an axe to get through. Double-pane windows to break and climb through. Alarmed as well.

So a guy breaking in, tripping an alarm, who doesn’t know the layout of the house—is going to have an edge over a homeowner who has lived there for 18 years?

You’re a complete fucking tool. I’ll PM my address... you try to break in without gaining a pound or so of jacketed hollow points.