Why We Should Never Compromise On Gun Rights

[Tsing Tao]

Apologies, the quote function didn't work on the last two paragraphs of my response.

The NRA has been spectacularly successful in stopping gun control at the legislative level. But it has not been via logical argument. On rare occasions when some legislation does get signed into law, the NRA is right there to challenge it. Filing a pleading is not, however, the same as getting a judgement in their favor. You're assuming the NRA filings are a fait accompli; they aren't.

Logic never seems to get in the way of your arguments, so why should the NRA worry about it?

Not all gun owners are as sane as you. And there are also a surprisingly large number that are more reasonable than you! So there are gun owners on both sides of you. There are those hoarding ammo, stockpiling guns and barricading the door, and there are those who recognize you don't need a large magazined, bump-stocked, assault style semi-automatic and teflon jacketed ammo to hunt deer or rabbits. (They are the better sportsmen, and I will stand with them in support of their right to own and bear sporting firearms.)

Who hunts rabbits or deer with teflon jacketed ammo or bump stocks? I think, as usual, you're getting your news from the lunatic left wing media. You've already proven yourself to poorly understand firearms multiple times.

Do crazy folks exist? Hell yes they do. That's why law enforcement exists - they need to do their job. None of your laws would have prevented Cruz from shooting up the school. Law enforcement, on the other hand, would have prevented it entirely.

 

[piezoe]

Now you're not making any sense at all. Sorry I wasted my time responding previously. In a democracy the majority isn't always right, but it should always be in charge; yet willing to compromise for the sake of not trampling more than absolutely necessary on minority interests. It is the politicians responsibility to articulate issues and help the majority reach consensus based on logic and fact.

Some of our politicians are failing badly in this latter respect. And worse yet, gerrymandering and the influence of political money has got so extreme that the majority viewpoint isn't even represented proportionately on some major issues. This is how democracies break down. They are fragile forms of imperfect government, but less imperfect than some other less fragile forms.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Now your not making any sense at all. Sorry I wasted my time responding previously. In a democracy the majority isn't always right but it should always be in charge. It is the politicians responsibility to articulate issues and help the majority reach consensus based on logic and fact.

I think this was to maximumpossiblesuffering and not me, but since you didn't quote the post you were responding to, who knows?

I will say that this is a republic, not a democracy, which is why the majority didn't get to choose the President.

 

[fhl]

Parkland shooter always in trouble, never expelled. Could school ...
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Feb 20, 2018

These districts fought the school-to-prison pipeline. Can Pittsburgh ...
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The people who presume themselves to be our betters decided they wanted to fight the 'school to prison pipeline' and let minorities get away with infractions that should have gotten them kicked out of school. And the obama disadministration promoted it.

This is on top of the FBI ignoring all the warnings. Did the FBI ignore the warnings because the kid had a minority sounding name, also?

There is no end to the destructive policies this country is implementing in the effort by one party to buy the minority vote.

If these policies weren't in place, the kids at Parkland would still be alive.

It's the left's fault. And the rino right for being to squeamish to oppose it.

 

[UsualName]

Not talking about funding for gun control. Talking about a trade off. A change in the status quo regarding gun rights for a permanent reduction on spending on social programs. After all, in both cases, it is what the majority of people want, right?

One of your arguments was that the Government should give what the majortiy of people what they want and that should be applied to gun control, right?

Since you are apparently about the Government “giving” the people what they want, you should have no problem with the majority of taxpayers desiring to see less money wasted on social programs, correct?

I am not even addressing if indeed the majority of people want anything more than basic changes to gun laws, even though the media has been going nonstop on the issue.

You should take a look at the budget. Our government doesn’t spend very much on “social programs.”

The majority of “social programs” are Medicare and social security and those programs have designated taxes for funding.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Would you being willing to trade some Government spending on some social programs for more gun regulation?

I am not on board with bargaining away fundamental rights for spending cuts.

NOT FOR FRIGGING SALE!!!!!!!!!!1

Ditto for freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

NOT FOR SALE!!

 

[futurecurrents]

I am not on board with bargaining away fundamental rights for spending cuts.

NOT FOR FRIGGING SALE!!!!!!!!!!1

Ditto for freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

NOT FOR SALE!!

Yeah cuz how can we even American with not my asshault rifel and handguns? How could we pretect hourselves wit just rifels and shootguns? Not for sale!

It's a fun da mental right too hav a assuallt rifel and a cool handgun !! It makes us men dammit !

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

Now you're not making any sense at all. Sorry I wasted my time responding previously. In a democracy the majority isn't always right, but it should always be in charge; yet willing to compromise for the sake of not trampling more than absolutely necessary on minority interests. It is the politicians responsibility to articulate issues and help the majority reach consensus based on logic and fact.

Some of our politicians are failing badly in this latter respect. And worse yet, gerrymandering and the influence of political money has got so extreme that the majority viewpoint isn't even represented proportionately on some major issues. This is how democracies break down. They are fragile forms of imperfect government, but less imperfect than some other less fragile forms.

Sounds like you are backtracking your previous argument. The title of the thread is “Why We Should Never Compromise On Gun Rights.”.

It appears you have unwittenly supported the OP’s title statement.

The Left has a long, hard road ahead of itself if it believes they can change the status quo on something that tramples upon the rights of many Americans, even if they are not the majority for absolutely nothing in return.

 

[RedDuke]

The longer some common sense reform is shelved the worse the eventual outcome will become. No idea how and when, but it might happen. A tragedy of enormous proportion could cause something as horrible as 2nd amendment repeal. Amendments are not set in stone, our constitution allows a repeal. But meanwhile, keep on fighting reasonable reforms.

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

I am not on board with bargaining away fundamental rights for spending cuts.

NOT FOR FRIGGING SALE!!!!!!!!!!1

Ditto for freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

NOT FOR SALE!!

I agree with you. Was testing my premis that the other side of the issue expects everything yet provides nothing, hence the OP’s assertion.