why Wall Street traders win and you don't

Quote from galvinlee888:

So now you are not a trader but a doctor ? :eek:

i can repeat this one more time...accusing broker of stealing your system or "hacking" your account sounds plain stupid to me. unless you have solid proof of such actions. do you have the proof?
at least-give us a broker's name....so we would know,who this bad guy is..:p
 
the closest most traders get to an edge is this, just before they drag it across their throats.


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When comparing retail traders to WS traders you are comparing a changing population to a population that has collectively survived on the average. Most WS firms have been around for many years and they have collective knowledge on the subject they transfer to selected traders they hire.

Most traders hired by WS firms are told exactly what to do, how to do it and when to do it. Their job is to take the stress and execute the plan. They need many traders because they work different areas, sell side, buy side, commodities, synthetics, equities, options, you name it.

Retails traders have their odds against them due to low purchasing power. They are weak hands. Volatility is the primary cause of failure. Only the top 1% knows how to deal with voilatility and profit from it.
 
Quote from Bob111:

cgarcia and his friends was saying same thing. i did post my statements while ago..not 99% of days,but close. on couple DAYTRADING accounts there is no losing week for at least a year. have to add that those are small,not really scalable semi automated systems.but capable to produce stable 100-150% a year on 30-50K investment.
so...based on my own experience i would say-it's maybe hard,but not impossible.
Alex Gerchick from “Wall Street Warriors” comes to mind..

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=176263

man you guys really need a dose of tradingRAW! yes I'm a member. Athlonmank8 is a retard loser.
 
Quote from garfangle:

For the self-trader it is tough to make money, yet when they see those who inhabit Wall Street making millions it is tough to reconcile why they are successful and you are not. So, here are some reasons why Wall Street traders (WST) win and the Average Joe trader (AJT) loses (or does not do as well) even if he is has a large account:

1) WST has access to the best, cheapest and fastest technology platform and execution; AJT uses either a retail broker like Ameritrade or a somewhat advanced platform like IB.

2) WST receives data from vendors like Bloomberg and analyst research that can cost tens of thousands of dollars; AJT is limited to Yahoo Finance and StockTwits.

3) WST enjoys a comfortable salary and benefits; AJT is not paid while trading.

4) WST risks his firm's capital while learning to trade; AJT risks his own capital while learning to trade.

5) WST risk-reward is skewed to the upside: if successful he can earn millions; if unsuccessful he is fired, but can usually land a respectable job elsewhere; AJT risk-reward is either evenly-split or to the downside: if successful he can earn potentially millions (though more likely in the thousands), but if unsuccessful his life savings are wiped out and no one hires an unsuccessful amateur.

Thoughts?


Thats because you suck. LOL!

Dude don't blame others for your inadequacy in earning a living in the markets.
 
Quote from KINGOFSHORTS:

Thats because you suck. LOL!

Dude don't blame others for your inadequacy in earning a living in the markets.

I agree, get some skills people....athlonmank8, Samsara, and atticus sucking losers!!!
 
Quote from galvinlee888:

Are you copy this from any trading book out ? :D

Summary - No edge No Money, even if you find an edge, it will erose really fast (your broker will steal from you, "someone" will hack your account or learn from you when you put your position on the market..). :D
I don't need to copy from any trading book. I have been both a floor trader and subsequently a CEO who ran both a floor trading team and a client liaison team. I have been in both corporate and professional facets of trading in markets.

I am an occasional writer at ET who points to just where the amateur individual trader can go to make money in markets. Structural corporate activities in markets (using employed traders) do nor bear any relevance to the success or failure of amateur trading activities. No offence to anyone but there is repeated diversion and lack of focus at ET often without cold hard rationality being applied. Start with your own circumstances and work from there. Shut out all irrelevant notions.

An amateur individual can make progress starting with limited capital. And utimately you can choose to make yourself rich.
:)
 
Quote from galvinlee888:

The question is - how you know their direction and ride on them ? :D

Size is a the best tell, second... the resultant vector, especially at/off key levels.

If the funds are there, you should be too.

There's lots of tools available for tape analysis that give volume signals.

Keep it as simple as it gets, period. Do what they do, when they do it.

They have the best this and the best that.....blah blah.... T.M.I.

Front running/fading their own order flow is their best advantage...
tough to beat them at that.
 
Silly premise advanced by the OP - unless you are making markets for 30K up blocks (liquidity taker's choice) in dark pools.

There is no guy at MS or GS scalping stocks using tic data and a a trade station technical study like 90% of the ET members. Nope. Different concept of an "edge".
 
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