Why vote this down?

[maxpi]

The GOP is just anti minimum wage, always will be. They are still fighting product ingredient labeling too. I wrote to one of them about how a propellant in a body spray was nearly killing me, how about labeling in that area? The response was he did not want to make businesses expose their trade secrets!! Same old shit.

I vote Republican but basically I know that we are going to need 20-30 years of Democrat rule at some point, some unions to make these stock option cheating employers sit up and take notice of the workers would be fine as well. Universal health care with an emphasis on prevention [way, way cheaper] alongside the current insurance based system would be fine with me too.

 

[drmarkan]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Where does it say racist?

I am calling you a heartless self absorbed regressive capitalist pig....

Your brand of capitalism will exploit any race, gender, age, ethnicity if there is a buck in it for you personally....even if it is illegal to do so....

Folks like you have no morality, only lust for money....

Easy Trotsky. You implied I am a racist when you said I would have been a slave master.

Now that you have managed to take this thread off course because you have nothing of substance to say on the subject, I think I'm done with you.

By the way, somebody who has been a member of ET only 3 months longer than I have and is bucking 12,000 posts while I haven't even hit 600 is a little more self absorbed than I am.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Yes, and you would have chained children to machines, and you would have sold women as chattel.

If slaves were green, you would have whipped them if it meant greater productivity.

Put that race card back in your ass...

That you would willingly hire illegals makes you a person who willingly weakens this country, and would be an all too common criminal...all for the sake of your own selfish capitalist religion...

Quote from drmarkan:

Easy Trotsky. You implied I am a racist when you said I would have been a slave master.

Now that you have managed to take this thread off course because you have nothing of substance to say on the subject, I think I'm done with you.

By the way, somebody who has been a member of ET only 3 months longer than I have and is bucking 12,000 posts while I haven't even hit 600 is a little more self absorbed than I am.

 

[johnwk]

Quote from EqtTrdr:

GOP-run Senate kills minimum wage increase

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060621/ap_on_go_co/minimum_wage


Would like to hear a Republican Conservative point of view as to why this isn't a decent idea??

I don’t know about a “Republican Conservative point of view”, but I would say as a believer in the preservation of the unalienable rights of individuals, government established wage laws are a very, very bad idea and infringe upon one of the most important and fundamental rights of mankind. Who can deny it is an unalienable right of every individual to contract out their labor as they see fit, so long as a contract between two willing parties does not infringe upon a third parties unalienable rights?

Of course, there will always be scum like Ted socialist Kennedy and his disciples on Capitol Hill who will attempt to increase the minimum wage, not for the benefit of working people, but to buy votes to keep themselves in power.

What Kennedy doesn’t tell the people is, every such increase will be passed along to the consumer in the form of higher priced products and services. But, what the heck, Kennedy will have gotten their votes to keep himself in power, so why should he care if his proposed wage increase will also increase the price of the necessities of life for the poor? The name of the game is, how to keep myself in power!


Regards,

JWK

 

[frank grimes]

johnwk brillant observation, ZZZ will spin it to make you seem like a racist, neocon, pedophile, pro-life, vote rigging, pro war nazi, but the rest of us get you're point.

 

[bigarrow]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

I guess you liberals are right. But why stop at $10? Why not $100? Then everyone could live well. No wait, why not $500 an hour? Think what that would do for the economy.

That's too high you say? How do you know? What makes the congress competent to decide that $10 is "fair?"

I agree 100% and we ought to use the same logic to lower the minimum wage. Why $5.15 / HR. why not $4.00 / HR or better yet $1.00 / HR. Then the employer hiring 20 guys at $5.15 could hire could hire 51 people @ $2.00 per hour. We are hurting the poor by keeping the minimum wage so high. We can reach 100% employement if we just lower the minimum wage. Just think you could get your lawn mowed for about 5 bucks, get your house cleaned for 9 bucks and the labor on a roof job would be about $145. I can't see any down side to lowering the minimum wage.

 

[Burtakus]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Many agree that the greatest period of real productivity, real growth, and real accumulation of peace of mind in this country came following the end of WWII through the beginning of the 70's.

That period saw labor unions flourishing, pension programs developing and people investing, minimum wages sufficient for living, etc.

What do we see now? Productivity to this administration means cutting health care benefits, cutting pension plans, cutting jobs and exporting them overseas, etc.

We used to measure productivity not in terms of the corporations and their profits, but in the lives of Americans improving.....

Since then we have seen the weakening of labor unions, wages for the common man, more use of drugs to cope with mental illness (yes, the wealthy take a lot of drugs to help them sleep, keep them sane, etc.), increase in divorce rates, etc.

America is better off now?

Just one time, let the people vote their real life situation, and not their bogus fear of terrorism....

The bottom line is that having corporations run the show, via the lobby money, is not good for the people as a whole, that's the facts....

And now all those programs are coming back to bite us in the ass.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from bigarrow:

Then the employer hiring 20 guys at $5.15 could hire could hire 51 people @ $2.00 per hour. We are hurting the poor by keeping the minimum wage so high.

What an idiotic statement!!! Are these 51 people and their families going to stop being poor when/if they get $2.00 hr jobs? That's whopping $24 a day and $700 a month if they work 12 hour shifts seven days a week. I only hope that an exception in the miminum wage law will some day be made for degenerates who make these kind of statements, they certainly don't deserve even $2 hr.

 

[maggandre]

Quote from dddooo:

What an idiotic statement!!! Are these 51 people and their families going to stop being poor when/if they get $2.00 hr jobs? That's whopping $24 a day and $700 a month if they work 12 hour shifts seven days a week. I only hope that an exception in the miminum wage law will some day be made for degenerates who make these kind of statements, they certainly don't deserve even $2 hr.

I am pretty sure he was being sarcastic to prove a point.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from johnwk:

Ted socialist Kennedy... will attempt to increase the minimum wage, not for the benefit of working people, but to buy votes to keep themselves in power.

Politics 101 - Ted Kennedy's job is safe

Quote from johnwk:

What Kennedy doesn’t tell the people is, every such increase will be passed along to the consumer in the form of higher priced products and services.

Economics 101 - the prices of products and services are established by supply and demand, not by the cost of production and cost of labor. If businesses could raise prices they would have regarless of how much or how little they pay their workers. Most likely the minimum wage increase would come out of insane business profits and absurd CEO compensation packages (still leaving businesses extremely profitable and CEOs uber-wealthy).