Why Trading Should Not Be A Career Choice

I hope you do well in the airplane business. But having spent about 35 yr in it I will give little of you own advise. The most profitable part of the industry is the airlines and they have lost more money then they have made. We have two sayings one , If god had meant for man to fly he would have given man more money. Second you can make a small fortune in aviation if you start with a big one. While you're in PHX go to the desert they have a lot of inventory there to lease.
Like most have said it takes time to learn a new trade/skill so bear that in mind. Anyone who archives success works hard for it and that may not be measured in dollars. Trading is not the end all for me it's more a part time addition to my life. That may change in retirement but we will see.
good luck
Kirk
 
On a website such as this, you never see the unsuccessful traders. Since they were unsuccessful, they are not around here to tell their stories. So you have the successful guys on here telling their story, but the dead men tell no tales.

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LOL as I send this to the SPEC LIST. Of course Mr. Scott is being, well lets just say humbling.

However, being a City boy from NYC..I call BUL#$@@ that most individuals on this site are successful... In fact, this site is if not one of the "Funniest" saga's to read, it attracts more "Dirt" than a Dust Devil.

Of course, these are my humbling worlds.

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Any REAL trader does not care
- whether it's a bull or bear market
- about the state of U.S. economy

I'm not sure you are a trader if you think the opportunities are dwindling.

There are always opportunities to make money in the market....always.




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The market has been good to some people for the last 4 years. I highly emphasize the word *some*.

I will get to the point. The market is a proxy for the overall economy and job market. Usually when the market is doing well, the job market and economy are also booming as well.

From 2000 to 2002, there were many traders who were "shaken out" and left without jobs or capital. I hear far more disaster stories from that time period then anything else. While I believe a few traders made it out alive, the majority were shaken, stirred and scrambled. During that time period, many people in different industries were left unemployed.

Many people believe that when the market turns bad then they will simply pursue other careers. However, if they do not have any other business skills or education, how will they find a good job in a downtrending market similiar to the 2000-2002 period.

Now we are near a place in the market where interest rates are rising and the economy is called into question. A rate hike is in the cards. The last time the S&P 500 hit 1550, a similiar situation existed with Greenspan increasing rates and the economy looking quite questionable.

In those days of long ago, there existed a similiar mix of traders as today. Sitting in the rows at the prop firms, sitting at home computers and telling themselves that they can go on doing this forever. However, there were times even before then where a similiar situation existed. There were traders in the 20s in "bucket shops", traders in the 60s, etc. All of them thought and believed the good times would persist.

The nature of the market is one of musical chairs where you never know when the music will stop. Unfortunately, there are only a few chairs and a rather large crowd.

To think and believe that money can be made forever by trading at a prop firm or behind a personal computer in your home is foolish.

I believe someone should look at trading like any other boom such as housing. They should take advantage of the opportunity right now, but they should not have the attitude that this is a lasting career in which they can depend upon to pay bills and support a family.

I always laugh at how each time the market turns up there are always those who come out of the woodwork who think they can make a career out of this. Ultimately, there are those that lose their minds and their shirts.

My advice for those who might inquire is to get your MBA, get yourself a professional career and if you really hate dealing with people in an office then the problem is not with them, its with you. Part of the job of being a human being is effectively dealing with people no matter how strange they appear. If you cant deal with people in a business environment, then you must reflect on yourself and admit your shortcomings.

Dont trade your own money. Go to a place like NYC where you can get yourself a job and work your way to trading other people's money.

The vast majority of millionaires and billionaires made their cash through a business enterprise. They did not make it from behind a personal computer at their home or from sitting in the ghetto office of the prop firm.

The last few years have been good, but dont count on it lasting forever...
 
If this bull market continues I will make money on the way up. If the conflict in the Middle East gets much worse I will make money going long crude.
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LOL, Day trader thrive on VOLITITLY.....Day traders are a small % of the trading world. HedgeFunds do not "THRIVE" on Volitilty, neither to most moneymanagers. VOLITITLY kills option traders as well, which most leverage is played in options.

Volititly requires HEDGES which require more capital usage. This seems hardly "Good" for the 'Trade".

Only individuals trading 5g of their own money, hedged 1:5 or 1:10, if you can get that now adays for intraday, other than Forex, Love "Volitiltiy".

SOES bandits still holding on to the limited "Market" trends of the 99 bull.
 
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The last few years have been good, but dont count on it lasting forever...

Educate yourself and adapt...

I've been in this business for 27yrs the players change but the game remains the same.
 
The biggest reason why traders fail, obviously IMO, is because the majority are under capitalized relative to their expenses. When you "have" to perform every month just to pay your bills, mortgage, loans, food etc it can greatly promote emotional swings and huge trading errors.

The advice I give... when new traders ask me is... if a 10% annual return doesn't pay your expenses and then some you are most likely under capitalized. One thing that most fail to understand is the cost of living rises every year, therefore if you have a $500K capital base and you make 20% in the year, you shouldn't be withdrawing all of the 100K, because you want to consistently try and work off a higher base. Basically, 50K in 2007 is worth a lot more than 50K in 2008 and 2009, baring some sort of crazy deflationary environment.

Now most here will think I'm nuts because a well educated individual probably makes at least $75-100K a year in the corporate America and that would mean $750K-1MM capital base to achieve the same income trading but unfortunately you need capital to trade.

Can you achieve 50%, 100%, 200% a year.... SURE, but that won't happen over night. Either you need very small expenses... a great wife that will support your ass or you need to be properly capitalized.
 
Quote from michaelscott:

The market has been good to some people for the last 4 years. I highly emphasize the word *some*.

I will get to the point. The market is a proxy for the overall economy and job market. Usually when the market is doing well, the job market and economy are also booming as well.

From 2000 to 2002, there were many traders who were "shaken out" and left without jobs or capital. I hear far more disaster stories from that time period then anything else. While I believe a few traders made it out alive, the majority were shaken, stirred and scrambled. During that time period, many people in different industries were left unemployed.

You're talking about piking, not trading. 2000-2002 was my most profitable period, the volatility provided huge numbers of opportunitites to make money.

You are also making the classic error of short-sightedness, thinking that "trading" is just being long US stocks. From 2000-2002 you had great opportunities in commodities, forex (dollar fall was just getting started), interest rates, emerging markets, hell you could even scalp and make a killing.

Trading is totally different from every other business in that there is *never* a dry period. There is always a bull market, and a bear market, somewhere in the world. I can take every year since I started following the markets, and show you at least one market that boomed massively, and one that had a bust.
 
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