Why trading educators talk about entries 95% of the time?

I don't care how great you think your entries are, you'll never
get more than 60% correct with equal stop and target. And thats amazing!
And highly unlikely and am not even sure its possible long term.

Don't you think they should devote vast majority of time talking
about how to manage a trade once your in? But they dont.

They just say, look at this great setup and this is a good setup blah blah.

All the while I'm looking at these so called setups and can easily
tell they are a coin flip at best, maybe barely better than a coin flip.
And I mean barely.

Supply & demand. It's what people want.

Just not what they need.
 
Entry is just as important as any other aspect of trading..i.e. management..risk..PT...drawdown...execution...psychological aspect....etc. I agree 100% we should all attempt to get good entries. The problem is that even at our best we can be wrong 40% of the time, except in rare occasions, such as in strong BO’s, that percentage of being wrong can be less. Hence,we have to discover and develop things of a tactical to overcome those times we are off on our entries. One thing I use is averaging down if the context supports it. The ability and skill to identify and read correctly the contexts In which PA is taking place is one of the most important skills to develop. This ability can go long ways in tempering entry mistakes.
 
...That is why it looks like magic as Fedex says...

Oh man, here we go with the FedEx thing again! lol! Last time I saw that was over a year ago. And you've been using it for over 3 years.

Volpri, I never said it "looked" like magic, I simply said it WAS magic(s).

As I have capitulated to before, it is whatever works. I can make no sense of the logic unless the account is super-well-heeled, because you can wind up in a position so deep into the hole that by providing yourself the deadline of BMC, you could take a severe hit to the account balance, since you do not carry overnight positions. (I am assuming because of the performance bond issues?)

And since that bit I have quoted above from https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...es-95-of-the-time.345152/page-11#post-5108194 you have Fedexed me at least three times in follow-up posts in the thread. Do you miss me or something? Heh.
 
I agree 100% we should all attempt to get good entries. The problem is that even at our best we can be wrong 40% of the time

Good entry isn't about probabilities.
It's about risk management.

To get the best entry is to lose the least if wrong.
To get the best entry is to be able to leverage our wins.
To get the best entry is to be able to scratch or to BE our BS trades.

Probability is about context or conditions.
It's not about the setup itself.

The best entry is like having the best seat.
You don't know what's going to happen but you're ideally located.

WHATEVER HAPPENS

Either you enter 10 ticks above or below,
It doesn’t influence what the market’s going to do next.

Entry shouldn’t influence SL and TP neither.
Entry is just a risk/reward optimization.

1 tick saved is 2 ticks earned.
 
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Entries AND Exits are both critical in the long run

The big diff is psychological

Why ? Because before entry there is no $$$ at risk.
Screen-Shot-2015-12-08-at-00.16.37-800x500_c.png

After entry , there is

There, a $50000 masters degree in trading in only a few free lines

Every trade can turn into a loser.
De leverage if you’re not confortable with this.
 
Great topic, completely agree with most comments. I spend More time teaching exits and trade management than entry setups. In my big "lessons learned " thread I explained why exits are way more important than entries, though some disagree.

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/top-lessons-learned-in-21-years-trading-millions.342367/

The REAL reason most educators don't teach exits and trade management and position sizing, the most important stuff, is because most are FoS bullshit phony poser "chart talkers" who don't even trade.

That I believe is why in part many traders fail.... the entire fcking education industry teaches the least important thing vs exits, simply because most educators are not even real traders and therefore can't teach what's most valuable.

I obsess over exits and constantly focus on how it should be handled. And I show PnL proof examples of recent real trade wins and stops. I'm frankly surprised anyone would pay for education from posers who don't prove they trade, which is 99% of them imho.

I highly recommend and would love to see all traders start asking educators during webinars like "can you please show PnL proof trade confirmations of a few real money trades you did"??? My competitors would drop like flies lol.


Ken does teaching wear you down, in the sense of, trading in itself is challenging, teaching it to someone who might not be as motivated can pose its own challenges and make you ask wtf i am doing this? besides the money

Maybe its just me but i feel like those "wanting to learn" that barely put in any effort on their own are the ones looking for handouts, and wears you down being around them, whats the view like from your side??

personally i wouldn't teach no matter what the money i am getting, i just dont have the patience for it or for people. but again thats me, whats it like on your end? whats ur view on humanity? dark like me ? lol
 
Ken does teaching wear you down, in the sense of, trading in itself is challenging, teaching it to someone who might not be as motivated can pose its own challenges and make you ask wtf i am doing this? besides the money

Maybe its just me but i feel like those "wanting to learn" that barely put in any effort on their own are the ones looking for handouts, and wears you down being around them, whats the view like from your side??

personally i wouldn't teach no matter what the money i am getting, i just dont have the patience for it or for people. but again thats me, whats it like on your end? whats ur view on humanity? dark like me ? lol

Good point; it depends on the audience

a) I love teaching, I came from Fortune 500 corporate training background: http://daytradinguniversity.com/clients.htm

b) I focus on smart experienced traders; many of my longtime customers are age 40+ and are pilots, engineers, healthcare professionals etc

totally agree re who wants to learn, I'm not patient enough to work with newbs or lazy gamblers lol
 
Entries AND Exits are both critical in the long run

The big diff is psychological

Why ? Because before entry there is no $$$ at risk.
Screen-Shot-2015-12-08-at-00.16.37-800x500_c.png

After entry , there is

There, a $50000 masters degree in trading in only a few free lines

you paid too much for the masters degree & likely your experience not the academic qualification made you what you are today, or you were born intuitive!
 
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