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South Osseta voted 95% in favor of secession from Georgia (twice). The International "Community" rejected those results
And my family voted unanimously in favor of secession from the US. But the international community rejected those results. Seriously though, not all things are decided by referendums.
National membership is decided by popular vote.
Canada, US, all EU countries, voted on membership.
In some cases, war determines secession. South Ossetia won that war. And has since been politically and military independent.
Likening the will of 30,000 ethnic and territorially distinct people to a gaggle of 5 that share the same trailer-park. Nonsensical.
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In this specific case things are even more complicated as the land the Ossetians live on has always belonged to Georgia, even before the Ossetians moved there to escape Mongol rule. And Georgians were ethnically cleansed from South Ossetia long before the referendum so they could not vote.
Mongol rule???
Annexes prior to 1000 BC dont count....LOL
Applying your logic to a more contemporary (and relevant) example: perhaps Americans should vacate the continent and let the Native Indians take over?
After all, we did steal it from them. Didn't we?
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Don't you think its hypocritical to accuse Russia of aggression when it's Georgia that provoked the entire conflict to begin with?
Once again, Georgia was trying to resolve its own internal conflict. Whether it was right or wrong it was not Russia's business.
"its own internal conflict"
What freedom loving democracy bombs the piss out of a break-away province?
Lets think about this for a second.
Isn't that how Georgia broke away from Russia, to begin with? Declared its independence?
Perhaps Georgia would have appreciated Russia bombing the shit out of them when the Iron Curtain fell?
Wait a second.... Guess they already did!
How does that shoe feel on the other foot? A little snug, perhaps?
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Do two wrongs make a right? No, they don't.
Exactly but that's the argument you are trying to make. Even if (and it's a big if) Georgia was wrong, that does not make Russia right.
I'm against both attacks. Thats what "two wrongs, don't make a right", means. [/B][/QUOTE]
Georgia ADMITTED they initiated the attack.
And still, you can't man-up and admit they were in the wrong.
Its pointless debating the facts with you, apparently.
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What is it Bush said? Nations don't invade other "sovereign" nations in the 21st Century? Begs the question - why Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, Kosovo, Bosnia, Panama blah blah.....
LOL, most of them actually took place in the 20th (not 21st) century. Anyway, I get your point, Bush is bad but Putin doing exactly the same thing is good. Having just stated a moment ago that "two wrongs don't make a right" in your very next sentence you are actually trying to prove that they do.
In every single instance, the United States either suckered0in or vilified its future opponent to stage conflict.
Apparently, Georgia was an unwitting pawn in a larger game of chess. Boo-hoo.
Russia committed some real atrocities in Chechnya. But are you gonna sit there and tell me Russias an evil force we must contend with while giving a pass to the United States (and its little lapdog Georgia) who are busy invading countries around the world?
Its pure, narrow-minded bullshit.
All these Governments are corrupt and its the average, every-day
pleb that gets caught in the cross-fire.
Seems you subscribe to the retarded Us-versus-them mentality which just perpetuates the whole the thing.
Good stuff.
