Why the controversy? Jack Hershey SCT system works just fine.

Quote from jack hershey:

ehorn's comments do round out in a succinct manner how everything works out.

Getting to any level may be done by purposeful learning through experience.

Obviously, many people understand that automating an algorithm is easy to do and there are many approaches for getting from A to B.

I became automated personally before PC's.

Since there are so many ways, I will mention a few.

Going from PVT to SR to SCT is the critical path, I believe.

IF you are a college student and new to making money, taking a month of full time boot camp in the summer is the way to expert starting with SCT.

What about others? In this thread I have detractors on ignore and when I check "hershey" on a search it is roughly filled with ignored detractors. The detractors are rather severe examples of people who "do not get it". Let them be a warning to you the reader about how things can turn out for you.

Several people go for shortcuts and others shun learning to make money in this algorithm.

It is not possible to learn PVT, SCT or SR if the person is locked into CW. This is not bad or good but just reality. CW encompasses beliefs which are not helpful for those learning any algorithm that is outside of the algorithm. This is well proven and the basis of why learning is not possible is simply that those wedded to the CW have minds that are differentiated (wired) according to the beliefs that follow from learning decisions.

OODA is a routine of CW and anyone can see that MADA is incompatible with OODA. Again this is not bad or good; it is just the way life turns out.

Learning SCT, took short cuts just as greaterreturns did. Many poepl snip out pieces and put them to work and they make over the ATR each day.

euclid and daniel33, posters in this thread, are not hostile and they have concluded that doing the owrk is not for them. That is as it should be for them. They do follow the CW and, therefore, find the algorithm unfathonable.

I spend time once in a while anwsering Q's about the algorithm and its applications PVT, SCT and SR. I've done that since 1960 and things work about the same up to now.

These times are especially profitable and, therefore, a person can add contracts more frequently than normal.

To describe the JH Methods I refer you to four parts:

1. An algorithm and three applications: A. PVT; B. SCT; and C. SR.

2. A partnership of the trader and the markets.

3. A learning tree comprised of three strands: A. Skills and Knowledge; B. Effectiveness and Efficiency; and C. Application of Capital.

4. And growth themes: A. Learning to Learn; B. How the Mind works; C. Business Plan ; and D. trading Plan.

In CW talk the above is babble and what "learning SCT" describes derrogatorily in the OP. For me it fits quite nicely into five books.

I will post some focussed thoughts on a trader's day and how the logging, routine, trading and debriefiong unfolds daily. It amounts to about 10 pages that are filed in a 3 ring binder as the person goes through 6 to 8 levels of learning skills and knowledge.

I'll use two chart displays one is labelled Neox am logging chart and the other is Noex PM logging chart.

Daily logs in a landscape format take four sheets daily. An average day is a W or an M of four channels. One page per channel is the way it goes. On each page is about 3 to 5 traverses. This includes pts 1, 2, and 3....and FTT. It includes the dominant and non dominant alternating smoothly. It includes hiking up and down the Gaussians and occasionally crossing valley streams alway on a trail.

Logs do not just record data. data recording can be done with an ATS if that is the objective.

What is going on is building the mind to have long term memory and that memory is differentiated. People with CW beliefs cannot do this because they made choices that deny them the opportunity to do PVT, SCT and SR as applications of the algoithm often referred to as the pool extraction algorithm.

CW does an algorithm best described as a risk taking and a money managed trading effort where a bet is placed usually based on a prediction and the cash in the market is protected by stops, and only using a small portion of total capital.

Pool extraction is a taking on the other hand and the taking is based on the offer. Certainty is the underlying principle and so no probability enters the picture, ever.

This thread is in Technical analysis and as I understand it, it is not moderated for detractors. I put detractors on ignore since they are irrational in their commentary.

This is the basic mind building principle.

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A quick reference for its basis is found in the New Yorker in the article entitled "The Itch". A better and longer source is Doidge's " The Brain That Changes Itself".

For traders there are three connections that are important: The Mind--the Heart--the body---the mind. I hope you can see the three dashed lines.

The brain is screwed functionally for most traders since they dwell on fear, anxiety and anger. This causes breathing to be impaired (the requirement for energy of breathing goes up from 3% to about 33%. This drain on energy means the heart is not delivering supplies to the brain properly simply because the heart is not pumping very well and the lungs are doing something very different than normal. read Stark and Stark's The Carbon Dioxode Sydrome", especially the "Bohr effect". pp151. To make a long story short, about 50% the oxygen normally supplied to the brain is getting there.

As is sort of well known a person can adjust about everything. The breathing warm up for Tia Chi is a nice one if you want to impress yourself with how screwed up you are in the CW trading modus.
Hey Jack,

Thanks for the laughs (especially the Tai Chi exercises, LOL there's always a new angle with you). :D

According to your comments, I guess Tums, nkhoi, romanus and gauvaman (among others) are about three months away from being multi-millionares, right?... :confused: Yeah, right.

Thanks for the post, you're entertaining (as always) and continue to move further away from helping your so-called students achieve profitability in the markets with every post you make.

Keep up the good work. :)
 
Quote from MandelbrotSet:

At its most basic level, SCT is trading based on price movement within channels, on both the trending and non-trending (known as rectracements for non-SCT traders) levels.

It also incorporates volume studies, but the primary focus is on channels.

For mandelbrotset what says, he is saying about his mind and what is in it.

What he writes is his PERCEPTION. Too bad for mandelbrotset.

Making money in CW is what he has as his inference; when he SEE's anything, what he sees is 10% of what is going on OUTSIDE of him and 90% of his PERCEPTION comes from within his mind.

When I type the statement below, Mandelbrot cannot "GET IT". That is how it is for "learning SCT" as we found out from his OP; He doesn't GET IT either. Both have CW beliefs that cannot be nudged or differentiated in any way, as we see, by being influenced any longer in their lives by what they sense (read or view)

Pool extraction (referring to huge financial pools of capital) is done through the critical thinking reasoning derived following principles:

1. You have to be in the market to make money.

2. You have to be on the right side of the market to make money, and

3. Money is made in markets through the movement of price.

QED.
 
Quote from MandelbrotSet:

Hey Jack,

Thanks for the laughs (especially the Tai Chi exercises, LOL there's always a new angle with you). :D

According to your comments, I guess Tums, nkhoi, romanus and gauvaman (among others) are about three months away from being multi-millionares, right?... :confused: Yeah, right.

Thanks for the post, you're entertaining (as always) and continue to move further away from helping your so-called students achieve profitability in the markets with every post you make.

Keep up the good work. :)

Your comments are instructive to others.

There are a lot of millionaires out there.

Anyone can trade on a beginner level and become a millionaire.

Attached is the first chart I mentioned.

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Quote from jack hershey:

For mandelbrotset what says, he is saying about his mind and what is in it.

What he writes is his PERCEPTION. Too bad for mandelbrotset.

Making money in CW is what he has as his inference; when he SEE's anything, what he sees is 10% of what is going on OUTSIDE of him and 90% of his PERCEPTION comes from within his mind.

When I type the statement below, Mandelbrot cannot "GET IT". That is how it is for "learning SCT" as we found out from his OP; He doesn't GET IT either. Both have CW beliefs that cannot be nudged or differentiated in any way, as we see, by being influenced any longer in their lives by what they sense (read or view)

Pool extraction (referring to huge financial pools of capital) is done through the critical thinking reasoning derived following principles:

1. You have to be in the market to make money.

2. You have to be on the right side of the market to make money, and

3. Money is made in markets through the movement of price.

QED.

According to your history Jack, you gon't "get it" either:

Jack Hershey's Trading History

LOL, I do love to read your fiction writings though, so please continue.
 
Quote from MandelbrotSet:

According to your history Jack, you gon't "get it" either:

Jack Hershey's Trading History

LOL, I do love to read your fiction writings though, so please continue.

This is the above reference:

LMAO BB, you are one funny mofo ...

The real mystery is why otherwise very intelligent human beings can't wait to chuck quarts German beersized mugs of jack's koolaid?

Eventually calling it quits when they fail to understand the primary relationship between:

1) Gaussians
2) FFT
3) Pool extration
4) Dominant traverses

and trading ... mainly because there isn't one.
 
Quote from MandelbrotSet:

According to your history Jack, you gon't "get it" either:

Jack Hershey's Trading History

LOL, I do love to read your fiction writings though, so please continue.

You should be off-duty... you don't get paid for overtime, remember. You've done more than your fair share of promotional work for Jack this week.

Take a break. Enjoy your Friday night. Kick back with your root beer and American idol... you deserve it! :p
 
Quote from Neoxx:

Thanks Jack.

I've had Spyder's chart up on my screen for the past couple of hours, comparing it to my own. Really useful way of spotting mistakes and omissions. Bit like the old apprenticeship model.

It's one thing to have a look at Spyder's old charts on the journals, but to actually have something of my own, which I've invested 6.5 hours in, to compare, the learning seems to happen so much faster.

Looking forward to the rest of this thread.
The Past

"The 516 page thread on elite about his methods is an interesting read but those that have spent lots of time on his methods don't seem to have had much success. The thread closed, after an appeal for someone who makes a profit using his methods fell on deaf ears. Perhaps they are all dunces and there is a way to make it work but I don't think it is worth spending lots of time on methods that might not work when there are so many proven ones out there."

The Present
":D Somewhat similar experience here. Gonna go and deal with frustration and anger the old-fashioned way - exercise. Gotta get back to sanity and regroup. I am so pissed off at myself for inability to make all of this work. Can't even figure out why mistakes were made."

Your Future
The Land of Empty Promises
 
Quote from Learning_SCT:



Results are really spectacular

So im just wondering, why all the hate then? jealousy?

lol........... you're still in the honeymoon phase with SCT:p

you are drunk with JH euforia lol :)

Right now you see SCT like this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/portal/graphics/2007/06/08/nosplit/ftsmoke.jpg
mysterious..... sexy......

After you sober up from all the kool-aid, reality will set in. You will wake up one morning and see SCT like this:
http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/data/media/2/female-smoker.jpg

lol...... poor chap
 
Quote from MandelbrotSet:

The Past

"The 516 page thread on elite about his methods...

The Present
":D Somewhat similar experience here...

Your Future
The Land of Empty Promises


PR is all about innovation. You really need to stop rehashing those posts and find a unique angle. Take a break. Go reflect. I'll fill in for you...

I'm a full-time doctor, with a busy work schedule. Exactly two weeks ago, I accidentally stumbled upon a post by Jack, and glimpsed the potential of the method he was freely, patiently and generously disseminating. I've dedicated myself to the journey, and hope to in turn, facilitate the process for those who may follow.

To all who may be reading this, forget the claims, forget the hype, just keep an open mind and decide for yourselves if this would be a worthwhile use of your time.
 
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