why such Huge Losses if the Loans are COLLATERIZED?

Quote from opm8:

My guess is that $535k house was waaay overpriced and probably worth around $100k to begin with a few years ago. And "nicest area" in Detroit -- does that mean it's 10% less crack whores and gang members than downtown? That city is a shithole and has slums as far as the eye can see for a reason.

Ignorance is bliss. I love what the rest of the country thinks of my fair city. a few years ago Oakland County was listed as the 2nd richest county in the country per capita. Obviously the big 3 have nose dived over the past few years and changed the wealth factor but still. Bloomfield Hills is not Detroit. less than a million people live inside the city limits. The other 4 million or so live in the detroit metro area. Major differences.
 
Only one person to blame but Greenspan he single-handedly f***ed the market by flooding the market with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Remember M3 reporting...once Greenspan requested printing presses to run 24x7 they decided better not report the increase in money supply (M3)

Real inflation is running at double-digit levels, while reported inflation is <3% (providing you don't eat or use any energy).

If fed cuts rates then just more fuel on the fire......unfortunately the economy has to rein in spending. US economy CAN NOT continue to run twin deficits in perpetuity.
 
Quote from chewbacca:

cramer says 14 million took out mortgages in the past 3 years and 7 million was at teaser adjustable rates.

now 7 million over 3 years is not a lot and its spread out all over the country. and keep in mind rates are no longer going up and still historically low.

Let's see here. 14 mil times 264,000 ave home price thats 3.7 trillion face value before interest and half of that is only 1.8 Trillion. Yikes!
 
Quote from chewbacca:

cramer says 14 million took out mortgages in the past 3 years and 7 million was at teaser adjustable rates.

now 7 million over 3 years is not a lot and its spread out all over the country. and keep in mind rates are no longer going up and still historically low.

Prices in some places more then doubled and tripled so this market is really working with the equivalent of 12% to 14% fixed relative to affordability.

John
 
Quote from bdon:

you guys might want to check the detroit housing market where mortgage defaults are at a serious high. Banks are dumping well below market. Home values are not holding what so ever.

one example a home in Bloomfield Hills market value of $535,000 supposedly. Nicest area in the suburbs with one of the best public schools. The house went at a liquidation auction for $138,000. Theres stories like this all around the city. my county alone has 700 homes on the market with nearly 300 in foreclosure.



Except for a few pockets of suburban civility, Detroit is a cesspool of Sh*t. No jobs. Rampant crime. Broken infrastructure. Zero potential for tourism.

However, for retirees, one can buy a very nice condo for 30K. Can't beat that.
 
after reading this thread i'm absolutely depressed.

(and maybe I should be)

If the fed defends the dollar, the govt creates policy to bailout the -screwed- defaulting overleveraged homeowner, a *real* energy policy of conservation and consumption tariffing evolves (and no ethanol subsidy), and entitlement obligations are reigned in...

... we have a chance.

... If the fed cuts here and euro doesn't follow suit...

... oh no.
 
The bridge in Minnesota failed because it wasn't fixed. It was more important to build new stadiums for Carl Polahd's Twins and the mighty Gopher football team...lol

Sorry, it's funny reading that! In all seriousness though, the important issues are low on the priority list of many cities nationwide.

:D

PS - Just found out the other day that Chicago has a 9 figure budget deficit...sweet, where did all that parking ticket money go that I have donated to the city?

Quote from arealpissedgoy:

Absolutely correct. I'm glad someone, somewhere, has some common sense. A vital ingredient for life success much lacking amongst the stupid masses.

If you want to see how the Major US cities will look like in 15 years, go visit Detroit and the broken bridge in Minnesota. $1 Trillion of borrowed money to wage a now very obviously futile war, a rapidly disappearing manufacturing economy and a public adoringly obsessed with good looking, pea-brained, corrupt politicians. The more corrupt they are, the better the chances of being voted in.

As I have repeatedly stated in many of my posts, get ready for a global depression. The US is entering a prolonged depressionary era. It won't be this year, or next year. But it will come soon enough when the USD is finally unpegged from Crude Oil. In the meantime, be patient . Start lifting the offer when the Fed cuts rates. One might as well enjoy the last leg of the joyride.
 
Oh and don't forget to vote for the new Minnesota Viking's latest billion-dollar stadium plan in 2008!

:D

Quote from Enfinity:

The bridge in Minnesota failed because it wasn't fixed. It was more important to build new stadiums for Carl Polahd's Twins and the mighty Gopher football team...lol

Sorry, it's funny reading that! In all seriousness though, the important issues are low on the priority list of many cities nationwide.

:D

PS - Just found out the other day that Chicago has a 9 figure budget deficit...sweet, where did all that parking ticket money go that I have donated to the city?
 
Quote from chewbacca:

so what if the borrower defaults - the loan is collaterized and home prices have barely budged off the highs....yes the lender may have to take a 20% hit on the foreclosure, but the default rate is low anyway. subprime is like 2% of the market. and I doubt default rates on morgates is greater than 3%.

trying to make sense of this situation.

It never was about the pos borrowers, it was about harvesting them and what could be sold to investors by the Street. Now everyone is realizing there is no functioning market, no believable price discovery mechanism, no liquidity. You can't sell your bag - other than to the special situation guys, who must be making a killing.

Noody believes Paulson and the Fed speakers about containment anymore.
 
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