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Why Some Scientists Embrace the 'Multiverse
- Thread starter jem
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you will lie in the face of science to support your ignorant 1950s random chance did it world view.
how many constants are there in the standard model of the universe stu? How tuned are they?
answer...
http://www.economist.com/node/21558248
"The constant gardener
One problem is that, as it stands, the model requires its 20 or so constants to be exactly what they are to an uncomfortable 32 decimal places. Insert different values and the upshot is nonsensical predictions, like phenomena occurring with a likelihood of more than 100%.
Nature could, of course, turn out to be this fastidious. But physicists have learned to take the need for such fine-tuning, as the precision fiddling is known in the argot, as a sign that something important is missing from their picture of the world."
how many constants are there in the standard model of the universe stu? How tuned are they?
answer...
http://www.economist.com/node/21558248
"The constant gardener
One problem is that, as it stands, the model requires its 20 or so constants to be exactly what they are to an uncomfortable 32 decimal places. Insert different values and the upshot is nonsensical predictions, like phenomena occurring with a likelihood of more than 100%.
Nature could, of course, turn out to be this fastidious. But physicists have learned to take the need for such fine-tuning, as the precision fiddling is known in the argot, as a sign that something important is missing from their picture of the world."
Quote from stu:
There is no science that shows the universe IS fine tuned, so nothing to lie about.
Scientists say multiverse, so again nothing there to lie about.
The fine tuning you mean is not science anyway.
Quote from CaptainObvious:
Define friendly. From a human perspective the universe is very friendly, until it isn't.
The universe is neither friendly or bad. A Creator is neither friendly or bad. It just is. The universe/life was created and now it goes on it's own. Even the Creator knows not where, nor does it care. The Creator has no human characteristics and it's a fools errand trying to define what it is in human terms. We will not be rewarded or punished for our lives here. Any reward or punishment is in the here and now. Once this ends, we will simply change as we have for all eternity. This is what I believe until proof positive is demonstrated. Obviously I could be dead wrong about it all.
I'm suspecting, and frankly hoping to be surprised at death. One of those, broad smile, no shit kind of moments. To experience otherwise will leave me disappointed.
It's amazing, Is it not, that you can live your entire life, not perfect, but trying not to screw things up all the time either, and taking some real pleasure in putting others first, and giving- IOW being a good guy.
You're not counting on anything other than what has already been given to you, and you appreciate it, yet you still try to live your entire life accordingly, and in a way that will bring you what you have always hoped for, which is that smiling no shit moment at the end (or beginning).
I don't think you'll be disappointed Capn.
In order for you to be disappointed would mean that you would have to survive in the final moments, and make it through to the other side; To actually still have a conscience that is capable of disappointment regardless of the flesh that died.
It is possible, but as you've said- you don't believe it, Do you?
Quote from stu:
There is no science that shows the universe IS fine tuned.
"IS" nice work troll.... you are going to redefine is and lie your ass off.
just like when you insisted the cosmological constant is just a place holder and could be changed to zero...
your 1950s atheism is science crap is quaint but stupid.
This IS the science...
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In that case fine tuning is worse than conjecture, as there is no science that shows the universe IS fine tuned.Quote from jem:
the multiverse is conjecture and requires faith in unknown unseen almost infinite other universes.
At least multiverse complies with the laws of physics and is based on science rather than faith.
Stu, you are now a standard model of the universe denying, science denying moron.
here is real science
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here is real science
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Quote from stu:
In that case fine tuning is worse than conjecture, as there is no science that shows the universe IS fine tuned.
At least multiverse complies with the laws of physics and is based on science rather than faith.