Why some government advisors don't like day traders

Actually.. some academics do writer papers on just that. It's just the ones that publish garbage draw the ire of traders. :)

Quote from Mike805:

Could you imagine a world where academic ideas actually worked in the markets??

It is a self defeating principle - if there ever was an academically tested, working and accepted solution - everyone would eventually find out that solution and the game would change again, and again, and again.... that's the entire point, academics do not account for irrationality and we make money off it. You cannot solve an equation to produce and "irrationality quotient".

Maybe that's why academics are so inept at trading markets - they do not believe something should be in a constant state of change.

Mike
 
Quote from buzzy2:




I am beginning to understand where the pattern day trading rule came from.

Now these academics want a tax on securities transactions, in other words higher commisions...

Check this PDF out.

http://w4.stern.nyu.edu/finance/docs/pdfs/Seminars/051f-saar.pdf

I am not qualified to make a long critique of this theory but it sounds like saying that anyone not trading according to their fundamental theories must be banned. These guys must grow up and accept that unfortunately markets don't work the way they think. Never did, never will.

Hope there are politicians out there who have faith on liberty and free markets and oppose these proposals.
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Daytrading rule came about because the same private sector reason commercial banks dont want to loan you 25 or $30 dollars for 1 day.:cool: SEC merely rubber stamped that.
 
These people are idiots. Maybe they should study the role of "daytrading" in mutual funds. I bet they would find there is many times the intraday action versus the retail traders.

Them that can, do....them that can't, write bullshit papers.... :D
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

So how do they account for the terrible performance of mutual funds, which are unfailingly managed by CFA/MBA types who disdain timing and are bottom up stock pickers?

It's all the daytraders' fault, lol.
 
Quote from libertad:

Seems to me that trading will gravitate to China as well...where there will not be any US just wonderful änd amazingly stupid bureaucrats¨...

Hey...this just might be a good thing...Next thing you know...they´ll be complaining about not getting enough money from the IMF....

Oh well..they still have their trust accounts and IVY League buddies ...good riddance USA,,,

There's already a prop firm that has a trading floor in China and I was told they have a couple humdred traders
 
Good thread, from the citizen of the United State of American.

We are the investor's and traders of our country.

We all use technical and fundamental analysis, you know,the
things we all learn in collage to make our market call's today.

What other way is there. You could use lie's/cheating/stealing/ and fundamental analysis. They use the latter because of lack
of technical analysis with fundamentals.


Out of collage some of us became stock broker's,
some became private investor, some became stock and
commodity trader's and some day traders.

All of us American Citizen are what this Stock Market is all about and it's not... the sec, market makers or specialists. This group
have a job to do and that is to service ' All" of us who are investors. Period. The SEC should be protecting us the investor
from market makers and specialists, and throw in mutual fund management who control American Citizen 401k account's.

They should at all time, keep the integrity of the Markets.

Keeping on this thread, let me mention what happen to me
last week in a mutual fund my wife and I have thru work.
(You all know how bad mutual funds are from work) Some
one mention the PDT DayTrading rule's. Is something going
on here that where not suppose to know. Listen to this to
this one.
This mutual fund name is, MFS Investment Management I
think out of Boston Mass.
For 10y in this fund you could rebalances your investments
on a end of day plan. Not to bad.

Notice on there web-site Apr 1, 2005, we will have a New Plan
as of this date. The new plan is for your protect (the same MO
as all government and corporation's lie to us about) to help
you from losing. really really really. Since when did this
start.
The new plan now is, Only Two Trade's per quarter. Now that
is going to save me a whole lottttttaaaa cash. Right!!

Now you see why they don't like daytrader's. DayTrading
is just too SAFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's just to hard for them to get your MONEY.

That's Why they are always looking to change the rule's
and the Law to go after your money.


The government and corporation's are after you money
and will do anything, and I mean lie, cheat, steal, and
fundamental analysis as mention in this thread. That
why they like you to follow what the fundamental are
saying. The Fundamental is a bunch of BULLSHIT.
What a crime.

That's why there knocking technical analysis. It's not
under there control. They will break all the Law's
on the book's to gain total control. They will have too
break them all. I'll be watching.

The reason the market is not reaching "informational efficiency"
is b/c the fundamentals is and they know it , alot of shit.

perrsan

Don't Be Afraid

pope john paul 2nd
 
Lol, I got a good kick out of this post. After decyphering, I pretty much agree with you. I have mutual funds thru fidelity at work that I've been putting about 20K/year into. But the performance of ANY option is dismal, like, maybe 5% per year. So, I've been taking "loans" from my 401k, tax-free and trading, then paying back interest to myself, tax-free. Beautiful. Technically the loans are supposed to be for "emergency" reasons, but they don't check, it's all automated withdrawwl and deposit. Hooray for loopholes!

Quote from perr:

Good thread, from the citizen of the United State of American.

We are the investor's and traders of our country.

We all use technical and fundamental analysis, you know,the
things we all learn in collage to make our market call's today.

What other way is there. You could use lie's/cheating/stealing/ and fundamental analysis. They use the latter because of lack
of technical analysis with fundamentals.


Out of collage some of us became stock broker's,
some became private investor, some became stock and
commodity trader's and some day traders.

All of us American Citizen are what this Stock Market is all about and it's not... the sec, market makers or specialists. This group
have a job to do and that is to service ' All" of us who are investors. Period. The SEC should be protecting us the investor
from market makers and specialists, and throw in mutual fund management who control American Citizen 401k account's.

They should at all time, keep the integrity of the Markets.

Keeping on this thread, let me mention what happen to me
last week in a mutual fund my wife and I have thru work.
(You all know how bad mutual funds are from work) Some
one mention the PDT DayTrading rule's. Is something going
on here that where not suppose to know. Listen to this to
this one.
This mutual fund name is, MFS Investment Management I
think out of Boston Mass.
For 10y in this fund you could rebalances your investments
on a end of day plan. Not to bad.

Notice on there web-site Apr 1, 2005, we will have a New Plan
as of this date. The new plan is for your protect (the same MO
as all government and corporation's lie to us about) to help
you from losing. really really really. Since when did this
start.
The new plan now is, Only Two Trade's per quarter. Now that
is going to save me a whole lottttttaaaa cash. Right!!

Now you see why they don't like daytrader's. DayTrading
is just too SAFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's just to hard for them to get your MONEY.

That's Why they are always looking to change the rule's
and the Law to go after your money.


The government and corporation's are after you money
and will do anything, and I mean lie, cheat, steal, and
fundamental analysis as mention in this thread. That
why they like you to follow what the fundamental are
saying. The Fundamental is a bunch of BULLSHIT.
What a crime.

That's why there knocking technical analysis. It's not
under there control. They will break all the Law's
on the book's to gain total control. They will have too
break them all. I'll be watching.

The reason the market is not reaching "informational efficiency"
is b/c the fundamentals is and they know it , alot of shit.

perrsan

Don't Be Afraid

pope john paul 2nd
 
I have actually read the paper. They put 12 students in front of a simulated market and let them "trade" for 90 minutes. They call it scientific experiment.

Why rob banks if you can earn [good] money by conducting such "research"?
 
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