Why Paris is burning
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The violence is caused by gangs, most of which are linked to drug dealing, which represents the major part of the economy in these areas. The islam-factor may be an element to it, but only as a catalyst not the main cause. So let me rephrase that last sentence into : "Either way the hudlums there are going to have to learn that they are subject to French law." Enough anti-islamic intellectual masturbation.
No, and no.
The difference is that the Buddhists wouldnât try to influence French politics. The difference is that there is no other religion on this planet that fuses an insidious and aggressive political mandate with its faith. The Koran is very concise about this, and it does not come from some fanatical interpretation of Islam by a group of bin Laden cooks.
Political-Islam today spreads by riding the coat tails of naïve Western Socialist idle bureaucrats, naïve Leftist intellectuals, and misguided self-proclaimed âliberals,â who all mistakenly believe this is just another example of a class struggle, or systemic racism, or a government which never seems to reach out to ethnic minorities and the poor.
This negligence only causes a critical mass of non-assimilation by immigrants. Young Muslims get wooed into an emerging infrastructure of political-Islam, which encourages them to âfollow the faithâ and voluntarily isolate themselves from non-Muslims, in a non-Muslim country.
What Socialist thinkers consistently miss is the fact that poor people get angry when they are told that they have been screwed, rather than being encouraged to prosper. Todayâs generation of poor Muslims who live in these âIslamic cystsâ within non-Muslim countries tend to be angry, because they have a political-religious infrastructure that tells them they should be angry.
Nobody forced the immigrants to flock to France. Itâs a privilege, and not a right. They should rise up to French secular society, instead. And when you have this political-religious infrastructure in place that can grow from the inside out and organize mass riots and protests against the society within hours of some incident, you realize France has a serious problem.
Youâre right about the opinion journalism coming from all sides, including the first two I posted. But the French and the Americans have always thrown pot shots at each other while maintaining a level of mutual respect for each of our Western cultures.
As for U.S. policy, of course the anti-Capitalists hate it, and I donât know if the French ever liked our policies for the most part.
Well, you sound exactly like the National Front, the French neo-fascist party ! I could translate some of the stuff they write and be pretty close to what you are posting : French secular society, naive western socialist bureaucrats and intellectual, it's a privilege to be French etc. The vocabulary is very similar. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you are a fascist, you just sound like one...
A few things you have left out though : the "free-mason and zionist conspiracy against France", gaz chambers were a detail of history-in fact there is no proof they actually existed, communism is satan, North African countries should never have been granted independence, Saddam Hussein is a real nice guy (leaders of the National Front used to meet him on a regular basis), we are the real patriots and the zionist/free mason/naive intellectual/elistist/socialist/communist media refuses to let us express our opinion, etc.
Sigh⦠You know what I said has nothing to do with fascism, and you choose to completely ignore my points about political Islam. So Iâm not going to waste my breath and instead leave you with another snippet ânot particular about France-- but something more general:
ââ¦Islamists constantly accuse the West, especially America, of aggression; in private they consider it weak, soft, and decadent. The Islamist view of "the Westerner" resembles that of the Mexican image of the gringo as simple, gullible, and easily deceived. Bluntly put: large numbers of Middle Easterners consider "the Westerner" to be more honest than "the Muslim," and Western governments easier to handle than Muslim governments. Westerners being considered capable of contrition and prone to self-criticism, much anti-Western rhetoric aims to inculcate self-doubt. Besides, Islamists have taken to heart the Leninist notion that the West will sell the rope by which to hang itself. The Iran/contra scandal did much to reinforce this belief but Desert Storm counteracted it by showing an unexpected determination on the part of Westernersâ¦â
--âMuslims in the West: Can Conflict Be Averted?â
by Daniel Pipes and Khalid Durán
United States Institute of Peace
August 1993
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/232
ââ¦Islamists constantly accuse the West, especially America, of aggression; in private they consider it weak, soft, and decadent. The Islamist view of "the Westerner" resembles that of the Mexican image of the gringo as simple, gullible, and easily deceived. Bluntly put: large numbers of Middle Easterners consider "the Westerner" to be more honest than "the Muslim," and Western governments easier to handle than Muslim governments. Westerners being considered capable of contrition and prone to self-criticism, much anti-Western rhetoric aims to inculcate self-doubt. Besides, Islamists have taken to heart the Leninist notion that the West will sell the rope by which to hang itself. The Iran/contra scandal did much to reinforce this belief but Desert Storm counteracted it by showing an unexpected determination on the part of Westernersâ¦â
--âMuslims in the West: Can Conflict Be Averted?â
by Daniel Pipes and Khalid Durán
United States Institute of Peace
August 1993
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/232
kalashnicac;
You asked earlier what Zionist had to do with it!
You see, that Daniel Pipes Osama123 is talking about is the same one who an outspoken supporter of positions taken by the governing Likud Party in Israel, to the extent even of opposing the US-backed "road map" designed to lead to an independent Palestinian state.
To encourage "moderation" among Palestinians, he has written, "the Palestinians need to be defeated even more than Israel needs to defeat them".
Pipes' personal views on the conflict can be traced back to the early days of the struggle. In 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, an ideological father to the Israeli right wing, wrote that there would be no peace until the Arabs in Israel were psychologically crushed. "As long as the Arabs preserve a gleam of hope that they will succeed in getting rid of us, nothing in the world can cause them to relinquish that hope," he declared. More than a decade later, David Ben-Gurion, who would become Israel's first prime minister, echoed those sentiments. "For only after total despair on the part of the Arabs, a despair that will come not only from the failure of the disturbances and the attempt at rebellion, but also as a consequence of our growth as a country, may the Arabs possibly acquiesce in a Jewish state of Israel," he wrote in 1936.
Today, such views are most strongly held in Israel by right-wing political parties, and in America by Jewish supporters of the Israeli settlement movement and evangelical Christians, who have found common cause with the hard-line aspects of the pro-Israel lobby. Those groups were well represented at the Interfaith Zionist Leadership Summit, which began May 17 at the Omni Shoreham hotel in Washington D.C. Pipes was greeted there as a celebrity, receiving standing ovations before and after his speech.
He is also the man who created what is known as "Campus watch", an orginization who first harasses then spies,threatenes, bullies and try to intimidate university professors, including Jewish ones who support the Palestinian cause. And if that fails and some of these professors show some spine, they simply make frudelent claimes against them.
Some of the orginizations that he chairs or is a member of accused some Jews of being antisematic.
He caused the expousion of some of the most permenant Jewish figures from their university posts like Mr. Joel Beinin who was a libral and a very strong critic of the Likud party.
Pipes frequently issues warnings, declaring that militant American Muslims intend to mount a second American Revolution, and impose Islamic law. In this context, he has criticized Bush for suggesting in public that Islam is a peaceful religion. "All Muslims, unfortunately, are suspect," he wrote in a recent book, though he added that only "10 to 15 percent" of Muslims are militant. If Muslims have jobs in the military, law enforcement or diplomacy, Pipes states in another column, "they need to be watched for connections to terrorism." He also finds Muslim immigration problematic: "All immigrants bring exotic customs and attitudes, but Muslim customs are more troublesome than most."
I hope you see where my point is stemming from.
Bla bla bla. Who gives a Waelâs ass about Pipesâ stance on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict? His analysis on political Islam (Islamism) is correct and you know it. You are using the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as a smoke-screen to front-run the Paris threads because the Paris riots rears political Islamâs ugly head for all to see and discuss. You canât blame it on America; canât hide it behind Iraq, canât point to fasism, and it has nothing to do with Zionism. Of all places, how could Muslims turn on poor little dear France?
Blah blah blah, the American Zionist lobby from Faith to Gafney to Pipes are spearheading this campaign to dehumanize the Muslim world and they are always jumping on the first opportunity that appears to help them to do so.
A valid example is the French situation which has nothing to do with political Islam but more with socioeconomic factors.
They are trying, with the help of the neocons, to re-draw the map of the Middle East for the advantage of Israel; they are doing that by mounting a campaign to prove to the whole world that the problem is not limited to Israel (Who is trying to fight its own war with them damn Muslims) but with the world as a whole.
The Zionists thought that they do not have to address the injustice issue brought upon the Palestinians; instead, they could seek the world's assistant, in a fraudulent way, to fight the war with the Arab world on their behalf.
Oh and by the way, our French friend is polite...You are a Fascist!!