Why oh why can't I stick to my plan ?

Quote from lilduckling:

...fabricated complexity...
Bingo!

I also think that Grob is fabricating complexity where, if he really wanted to selflessly teach others, he would seek to simplify. The best teachers I ever had in school broke down a problem into its simplest components. I was then better able to appreciate both the parts and the whole. In my mind, that is the roadmap to learning.

Spydertrader is a trader who uses, and swears by, Grob's method. However, note the difference in Spydertrader's posts and Grob's. I do not follow the method, but I see far more clarity and specificity in Spydertrader's posts. Also, you will note the charts in Spydertrader's posts and threads. They contain a few standard indicators. Although I am not a big fan of most indicators, I recognize that a complete trading strategy encompasses more than just indicators on a chart. However, to suggest 100 pages of typed text to detail a trading strategy boggles the mind. Mine, anyway. Grob likens a trading strategy to a business plan. The parallel only goes so far. I am no stranger to business plans, as I have studied and prepared them in business school at the graduate level, as well as having worked for several years in corporate banking, in lending and account management, where business plans figure prominently. Admittedly, I am not a millionaire trader as Grob reportedly is, but I think Grob is overstating his case beyond recognition.
 
Quote from Thunderdog:

Bingo!

I also think that Grob is fabricating complexity where, if he really wanted to selflessly teach others, he would seek to simplify.

But simplifying would remove the mystique and subject it to objective evaluation.... in other words guru suicide.
 
In computer science we have a philosophy of Divide to Conquer. You break the big problem into smallest problems in order to be easily understood and solved.

Quote from Thunderdog:

... broke down a problem into its simplest components. I was then better able to appreciate both the parts and the whole. In my mind, that is the roadmap to learning.
 
Quote from Trader666:

But simplifying would remove the mystique and subject it to objective evaluation.... in other words guru suicide.

It is one thing to ignore an opportunity to evaluate the simplicity of Jack's Methods. It is quite another to claim such an opportunity does not exist.

- Spydertrader
 
For some reason this comes to mind:

"If one cannot get one's own way, one must adjust to the inevitable. The legend goes that when the founder of Islam was asked to give proofs of his teaching, he ordered Mount Safa to come to him. When the mountain did not comply, Mohammed raised his hands toward heaven and said, 'God is merciful. Had it obeyed my words, it would have fallen on us to our destruction. I will therefore go to the mountain and thank God that he has had mercy on a stiff-necked generation.'

:)
 
Quote from lilduckling:

No offence Grob but, your approach to trading is so complicated that its only suited for the most highly intelligent scholars. It leaves people like me... that have a small bird brain.... out of the trading world. I guess thats why i dont care much for it.

I wanna trade too like everyone else.... but reading your past posts... i feel like..."oh shit... what have i gotten myself into to.... this trading business is way way over my little head.... im screwed" I wanna trade... not build space ships.

Now i dont mean that trading is not complicated... its very complicated.... infact its like layers on an onion... you figure out one layer of complexity... only to discover another layer beneath it.....BUT ..... for Pete's sake..... trading is just about how much am i willing to pay for something you are willing to sell, and vice versa. NOT trying to figure the mathematics in quantum physics to calculate time travel through black holes. 100 page trading plan sounds more like an ISO manual... which would enable anyone right off the streets to be able to trade by strictly following the rules in the manual..... which would never work.

SO..... maybe im the only person on this site with a 67 IQ ..... i must prove to everyone that theres more to trading then brains and fabricated complexity. We are opposites i guess. My theory is this... anyone... anyone can make money trading.... as long as they dont have a psychological monkey wrench to jam up the learning gears. All it takes is time... and not running out of $$ before then. By the way... last year you said i wouldn't make it in trading.... well July will be 3 years...and my account is nearing an all time high..... so you were wrong my large craniumed friend.

Thanks for your post. I'm glad things are shaping up for you.

When I review those I have connected with, I find the spectrum doesn't deal much with IQ or its correlation with success.

Some of the recent comments indicate that people enjoy working with Spydertrader and that there are successes. That is very cool and great to hear. Thanks Todd; a lot of people appreciate your efforts.
 
Quote from Trader666:

Wow... between flying your GROB 109 (where the gliderport gives you free tows for some reason); dining at the Princeton Inn; driving your 12 cylinder cars; working on your golf handicap of 12; connecting with Equis, Worden Bros, and IBD; considering offers from the "coast" on doing productions; trading 100,000 share lots; mentoring your legions of toadies (all of whom are making money on a level I haven't conceived of) etc., it's a wonder you have time to respond to lowly me. But somehow you managed to and I'm humbled and eternally grateful! I'm clearly not in your league and could be wrong about all of this but here's my take anyway...

Unfortunately, you're the sad victim of incorrect thought with respect to many of the points you make. Psychology and the mechanics of execution aside, the components of trading are very simple. Determine a set of tradables, decide when to enter and in what size, and decide when to exit and in what size. You seem to need to hide behind complexity and holism to avoid objective assessment of your "methods."

It is within the above framework that I've evaluated elements of your "teachings." For example, in a rare moment of clarity (Fri, Jun 21 2002 12:57am in misc.invest.technical) you described "rockets":

"To find a rocket you only have to have your quality universe (they are very high quality stocks with EPS and RS at 80 to 90 percentiles each. The only indicator that is significant is the Stochastic (5,3,3). What you look for on your daily charts are the stochastic rising deliberately to the 80% line and overshooting it and then critically damping on the line; perturbations will cause it to look entwined on the line. There you have it."

This one's on my "to do" list but here's how I'll proceed. Take the set of tradables (stocks with EPS and RS at 80 to 90 percentiles each) and evaluate what happens when the daily Stochastic (5,3,3) of stocks in this set overshoots the 80% line. I'll stress test by evaluating how these perform in bullish, bearish and trading range market conditions, how sensitive the results are to changes in parameters, etc. I'll quantify to what extent, if any, "rockets" perform better than random. If I detect a distinct, quantifiable edge, then I'll look at "rocket" variations... the possibilities are endless. Then and only then would I combine them with other system elements.

As for holism, of course all parts of a system are interdependent and sometimes in ways that aren't intuitive. But if you want to create complex, Byzantine methodologies from components that have no edge and use the magic of holism to make them profitable, have at it but that sounds like Grobian voodoo to me. I personally prefer to combine components that do have a quantifiable edge. In other words, I don't try to make good wine out of bad grapes. But that's just me and unlike you, I've been wrong before.

Use the list of 84 stocks I posted. they all pass the test you are envisioning. All of them pass the test you describe at least 5 times in the last six months.

I reattached the list for your convenience.

We are completing a camtasia support document (120 pages approximately) on this from a video that was made on the 2nd Thursday of this month.

Since you are embarking on using my methods you should pull the lists yourself from stocktables.com. There are three possible combos of EPS and RS at this time. And there are liquidity qualifiers as well. The qualifiers are there to fast track the filtering. Look at the attached list to see the results of liquidity filtering compared to the method you have chosen.

I think it is about 100% that you will find that this will not pass your "break under stress" test. That is because nothing I suggest as a concept can pass the test. It is a priori for you to have what I do fail.

If you start using the results as an exception, complete the IAS sheets for each chart that you annotate with the channels (IT and ST and traverses of ST where each rocket occurs) that it exibits. These will give your the stats you need for ranking the stocks by their relative money making capability. I recognize these facets are all out of bounds for you since you do not include them. Most people do these things to optimize cash flow as their capital becomes significant.

The weekend is a good time to get this stuff under control. By Monday am you should be ready to roll.
 

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You may have a slight screw up on the Stoch settings.

The fast Stoch setting is 5, 2,3 or 5,1,3. It is used for entry only.

The slow Stoch is used for the "hold". The "exit" signal is when "hold" criteria can no longer be met. The settings for the slow Stoch are 14, 1, 3.

i am just adding these thoughts since exits are more important than entries and so far you have left the exit stuff out of your procedures. Most people include exits as a pair with entries to check out things. It is just a common practice.


All of this is beginner level.

I know, you aren't going to deal with the whole nine yards as yet.

Everyone starts as a beginner it turns out.
 
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