Why not liquidate all banks, GOVT opens up the FED to the public?

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We used to have greenbacks.

There is no need for the FED. The US could directly issue bonds and print money. Unfortunately the masses think the FED is the US govt.

If you can get the whole forum to understand this. We could start to have a real debate about are economic problems
 
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Since the fed can print arbitrary money failure isn't an option.

agree

the last thing the fed wants is to expose their irrelevance

so they will try to save the system and bring the rest of us with them
 
The principle to understand economics is to understand money. Because the language of economics is money.

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If you can get the whole forum to understand this. We could start to have a real debate about are economic problems

Quote from KINGOFSHORTS:

We used to have greenbacks.

There is no need for the FED. The US could directly issue bonds and print money. Unfortunately the masses think the FED is the US govt.
 
Just give every registered voter in the US $500,000.00 USD.
All forms of welfare, SSDI, SS, AFDC, Food Stamps, Seniors Drug Plan, and all business/bank bailouts, stop, forever.
Never again.
Those that succeed, well, God bless the child who's got his own.
The rest, who waste away their free gift, can live in a box under a bridge.
Problem solved.

KingofShorts wrote""Unfortunately the masses think the FED is the US govt. ""
They also think H&R Block is the IRS
One of my old High School teachers used to work for Block, and he said at least 60% of everyone that walked in the door totally believed that H&R Block IS the IRS.
Amazing.:confused:
 
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Let the public directly borrow from the discount window instead?

Convert the branches to Federal Reserve Branches, ATMS etc..

Take the middle man out of the equation which means less slippage,friction,overhead,Bonuses etc..

Grandfather all existing mortgages to 2%

No worries about a credit freeze etc..

We should just get this over with and move on.

I guarantee the economy will pick up.

I agree kingofshorts !! I also think that the government should take over all gas/oil companies. Didn't Exxon/Mobil post something like $ 45 billion record quarterly profit and Shell posted $ 10 billion and thats just 2 of the companies. There's $ 55 billion right there in one quarter. Also the problem with building more US refineries solved and the Fed sets the price of gasoline in the US (I dont know how they would work that in different part of the country like California?) Also, charge a fair price and get rid of all state gas taxes and let the Fed divide up the profits between the states. But can you imagine if this would happen, no more political contributions to the crooked congressman, senators and other political parties ?? Don't beat me up too bad, guys :D
 
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I agree kingofshorts !! I also think that the government should take over all gas/oil companies. Didn't Exxon/Mobil post something like $ 45 billion record quarterly profit and Shell posted $ 10 billion and thats just 2 of the companies. There's $ 55 billion right there in one quarter. Also the problem with building more US refineries solved and the Fed sets the price of gasoline in the US (I dont know how they would work that in different part of the country like California?) Also, charge a fair price and get rid of all state gas taxes and let the Fed divide up the profits between the states. But can you imagine if this would happen, no more political contributions to the crooked congressman, senators and other political parties ?? Don't beat me up too bad, guys :D



i disagree

the government should only have a few responsibilities

defense (includes checking imports)

control of its sovereign money supply

protecting rights

i'm on the fence about education i think it's crucial to our superpower status. and that everybody should have equal access but I'd rather not see government involved

and probably minimum standards in food , drug , water and air regulations

every thing else to states and local

however i think we can all agree that the oil off the coast or any oil on sate or federal land should given to the people.

not these bs contracts like in the gulf, where exon pays 1000000 to pump as much oil as they want. We should hire a contractor to extract it and sell it on open market use the money to relieve tax burden.

and none of these selling gov and state land with known reserves to corporations at discounted prices crooked bastards
 
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i disagree

the government should only have a few responsibilities

defense (includes checking imports)

control of its sovereign money supply

protecting rights

i'm on the fence about education i think it's crucial to our superpower status. and that everybody should have equal access but I'd rather not see government involved

and probably minimum standards in food , drug , water and air regulations

every thing else to states and local

however i think we can all agree that the oil off the coast or any oil on sate or federal land should given to the people.

not these bs contracts like in the gulf, where exon pays 1000000 to pump as much oil as they want. We should hire a contractor to extract it and sell it on open market use the money to relieve tax burden.

and none of these selling gov and state land with known reserves to corporations at discounted prices crooked bastards
 
Quote from KINGOFSHORTS:

I agree. We are not a true capitalistic economy. A lot of people blame free market but the truth is we created a Moral hazard a long time ago. All these banks figured out way back when that they would always be to big to fail.

Look at LTCM, If we would have let them failed the problems would never reach the magnitudes they did today. Bailing them out opened up a can of Moral hazard.

Might as well stop the BS and just get it over with.

Um...no.

LTCM was a private bailout. If you got into financial trouble and your friends pulled together to bail you out, should I have a problem with that? I think you would agree I shouldn't.

The banks are a different story altogether. They are heavily regulated, which means that the government already partially runs them because it controls what they can and can't do. The government set the risk parameters and all the banks were compliant.

The problem is that the dumbasses in government wanted more "home ownership" and passed all kinds of laws to force banks to lend to uncreditworthy individuals. Add to that the subsidizing of mortgages by Fan & Fred (essentially putting government in the lending business) and Fed stomping on interest rates in 2001, creating huge demand for loans and sloppy lending necessary to hold on to market share in the face of such demand and you have the mess we have today.

I would say the government has done quite enough, thank you. It's now time to kick it out of the game.
 
Quote from IanMacQuaide:

Just give every registered voter in the US $500,000.00 USD.
All forms of welfare, SSDI, SS, AFDC, Food Stamps, Seniors Drug Plan, and all business/bank bailouts, stop, forever.
Never again.
Those that succeed, well, God bless the child who's got his own.
The rest, who waste away their free gift, can live in a box under a bridge.
Problem solved.


Just a couple of sticking point:

1.)where are you going to get the money to give to everyone?

2.) without all these government programs, the power of government weakens considerably and the politicians will lose an immense amount of power. You don't really think they're going to let that happen, do you?
 
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