Jesus,
Question from the lowliest part of the congregation - you ever been in a titty bar? Or on a vicious drunk?
Question from the lowliest part of the congregation - you ever been in a titty bar? Or on a vicious drunk?
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Why no bible books between 450BC and 60AD?
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Quote from Jehad:
If God does exist, then how come his existence is the most argued story on earth? How come, a long the history of man, there are thousands of different religions on earth, different Gods, different existence theories?
I was born as a muslim, truly believed in islam and breached it. However, my continues quest for the truth and my pledge to my self to be dare to question everything made me see what I believe is the truth: All religions, no exception, are a man invention. God does not exist: Why? Simply because we knew about God through religion. I now know that there is no purpose of life what so ever, when I die, I cease to exist forever. To someone, this is painful to admit. To me, it released a huge weight of my shoulder and I see life through different eyes.
If the existence of god, any god, any religion, does work for you, then go for it. What ever makes you happy, then do it. Life is nothing but a delusion, so chose the one that works for you. But if your goal is the truth, then you should be dare to ask the right questions and accept the answer. Where is God?
By the way, Jewdism, christianity and islam are one religion with different print version.
Actually the problem is quite simple. The only real problem is that People (the finite) are somehow convinced they can argue about infinite things. People try to argue away God, which would be a topic a million times more complex than things like the nature of dark matter/energy, or trying to explain the universe as an 11 dimensional construct or as an infinite multiverse, each with its own set of numbers (constants). If we cannot understand what is around us, then we are incapable of even beginning an argument on God. Our reasoning is little better than a colony of ants.
There is only one "religion" with any kind of powerful evidence behind it. It is actually a family relationship between God and His people, not a religion. And it makes it absolutely clear that humanity cannot grasp or reason it on their own. It even says quite clearly, it is presented so that "it is foolishness to those that are perishing"
I would happily wager on the likelihood that people who rail against Biblical Christianity even spent 50 hours seriously pondering the nature of fulfilled prophecy before going skeptical. Just about every skeptic I have met assumes that deciding that God does not exist is the enlightened thing to do. Of course they have no evidence to this end, and keep rambling precisely the kinds of things that Scripture said they would...
Sadly, negative replies to this post will be more of the same. I guess we will have to wait a few years to see who is right.
Quote from giles117:
I appreciate that. After 25 years of being a CHURCHED person I walked out because they forgot the Love... Reminds me of the song Where is the love..... I decided that since the Bible didn't preach church andMan did, why hang out with the fake folks. Jesus left the synagogues and hit the streets...
The bible talked about obedience and Love. My family chose love and the stark reality is most CHURCHED folk are the NASTIEST people on the planet....
They are extremely judgemental, though the bible said dont judge.... We are only to judge the house of god, not others. So if I dont know you are a"christian" who am I to judge you, and even after that if I see you fall, the bible said RESTORE SUCH A ONE IN THE SPIRIT OF MEEKNESS. So again who am I to beat you up. WHat I beat up on is false doctrine. DOnt tell me god said something that is totally against his character....
I watch churched folk give their money away while there lights are getting turned off. WHAT CHURCH WOULD PUT their people out so you can drive a phat ride..... A THIEF!!!!!
But when you show the the bible never advocated that they get mad, Then I become a "defender" The bible said those who dont take care of their own are worse than infidels.....
They dont Love. They Take......
You win more flies with honey.... Love is the Key and most "christians" have forgetton about that...
I prefer love. It considers others and teaches one to empathize while giving them the wise counsel and help they need.
There is much wisdom in what you say. I find the contents of Scripture far exceeds the followers...
Quote from man:
my personal understanding of jesus words and deeds differs from
the interpretation by the church. the overemphasis on the concept
of sin is the main component. in my eyes the church is much similar
to the kind of thinking that jesus critisized. dogmatic, authoritarian,
power oriented, and above all with a layer of selected priests
between the people and god. jesus as i understand him, promoted
a direct link to god, a direct experience.
finally i think he never intended the cult and myth about him,
especially when it comes to the phrase "son of god". in my eyes
the church got many things quite distorted or wrong.
If the Scripture is to be taken as the source for what Jesus said, then it is a major gaffe to think that Christianity was not about Him.
Vast sections of Old Testament prophecy were looking to the coming of Messiah, the gospels were completely focused on Him. The Epistles teach about Him, and the Revelation is focused on Him in a triumphal mode.
And when multiple times it made obvious that Jesus knew He was God. When Thomas said to Him, "My Lord and My God" Jesus accepted it. When Jesus finally admitted to that they would see the Son of Man returning on the clouds, which was an obvious self-God reference from the OT, this was the "blasphemy" that the Jewish leaders convicted Him on. And many times He said the "Father and I are one" and when He refers to himself as "I AM" several times, this was the same term as used by the Father. There are plenty of other references of similar note.
Quote from rcanfiel:
If the Scripture is to be taken as the source for what Jesus said, then it is a major gaffe to think that Christianity was not about Him.
Vast sections of Old Testament prophecy were looking to the coming of Messiah, the gospels were completely focused on Him. The Epistles teach about Him, and the Revelation is focused on Him in a triumphal mode.
And when multiple times it made obvious that Jesus knew He was God. When Thomas said to Him, "My Lord and My God" Jesus accepted it. When Jesus finally admitted to that they would see the Son of Man returning on the clouds, which was an obvious self-God reference from the OT, this was the "blasphemy" that the Jewish leaders convicted Him on. And many times He said the "Father and I are one" and when He refers to himself as "I AM" several times, this was the same term as used by the Father. There are plenty of other references of similar note.
Before time, space and form, much confusion followed a false premise: that the Son of God could be his own Creator. Though impossible, it could be imagined...hence, the dream-state of this world.
In this world, we can imagine that the Father is not our Father. Instead, we call ourselves "son's of man". A story is made up about the first man, and how he was made. It is said that "God" made man in his own image. But actually, this is a made-up "God", in the image of the ego that made man.
The ego was made by the Son of God to accomplish the impossible: to create himself. "Man" - form, flesh - is the ego's product.
So whether you say you are the son of evolutionary processes, or the son of man, you are saying the same thing: you are the son of the ego, and prefer it that way. Whatever made man is not God, so to say you are a child of any god who makes man is also to say the same thing: I am the son of ego/man.
Man is a self-image that makes Hollywood look like a child's play.
In this way, the Son of God has created himself, making up the gods that allegedly created him, while denying he made them up. This explains why the behavior of the gods reflects the rationale of the mind that imagines them. Confusion reigns supreme.
To remedy this situation, I emphasized that I was the Son of a Father Who did not make this world...but who created me. I renounced this world at every opportunity. I called myself the "son of man" because I was a parody, teaching by comparisons.
I teach by comparison because the mind of man is split and must compare false with true before he can make an effective choice. Ultimately, the false does not exist. But while man thinks it does, it is held up to comparison.
Ultimately, the "son of man" does not exist, leaving the "only begotten" Son of God as the only reality.
Jesus
you got me completely wrong. i do not doubt aboutQuote from rcanfiel:
If the Scripture is to be taken as the source for what Jesus said, then it is a major gaffe to think that Christianity was not about Him.
Vast sections of Old Testament prophecy were looking to the coming of Messiah, the gospels were completely focused on Him. The Epistles teach about Him, and the Revelation is focused on Him in a triumphal mode.
And when multiple times it made obvious that Jesus knew He was God. When Thomas said to Him, "My Lord and My God" Jesus accepted it. When Jesus finally admitted to that they would see the Son of Man returning on the clouds, which was an obvious self-God reference from the OT, this was the "blasphemy" that the Jewish leaders convicted Him on. And many times He said the "Father and I are one" and when He refers to himself as "I AM" several times, this was the same term as used by the Father. There are plenty of other references of similar note.
him being what he said he was. but if we all are
"children of god" where is the difference to a "son"?
and in my eyes what jesus said must be seen in
spiritual and social context. and as for "father and I
are one": this is the very goal and target of each
spiritual seeker. jesus was a realised one, yet not the
first and not the last. and it is dogmatic thinking to
assume that the last sentence is diminishing jesus.
far from that.
too literal interpretation of ancient texts leads to confusion.
people should be aware that the bible is not the only
book god "wrote". and that jesus is not his only "son".
and that the terms "book of god" and "son of god" are
today often perverted to justify power politics. in fact
that has been the case for very long time ...
Quote from rcanfiel:
If the Scripture is to be taken as the source for what Jesus said, then it is a major gaffe to think that Christianity was not about Him.
The gaffe revolves around making me special, individual, exceptional.
I am made "divine" while you are made "man".
This traps you. This is divide-and-conquer mentality. But truth sets you free.
Man in the product of a mind that has obliterated the memory of God. In this process, the Son of God has nearly destroyed himself, because he can only know himself relative to his oneness with himself and with his Creator.
The process of remembering God involves setting up pre-requisite states of mind so that the truth may enter unobstructed.
I remembered God because I saw the face of Christ in all my brothers. This is pre-requisite. Christianity, as you know it, defeats this pre-requisite. So it remains in the dark.
To remember "me" is to remember your brothers. They appear as "bodies" to the unlearned eye. The bodies act strangely, foolishly. This is a false front, the effect of a confused mind. Looking beyond, you can see the Son of God in each of them.
If you do this, you will remember God. It is pre-requisite that you appreciate his Son, before you can remember your Father. This is how you become "realized". This is what "self-realization"
means.
Perhaps Christianity ought to be about Christ. But it does not know what Christ is or means because the pre-requisites to realizing that are obstructed. This is merely a continuation of the same theme that made this world. Over time, the truth will prevail.
Jesus