Why more stock daytraders than futures?

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The action of emini futures may be their one siren song. When traders watch normal price action "noise" (defined as price movement outside of method or system capture) they see all those $$$ signs flashing by and are compelled to chase them.

In my opinion, it is a breakdown in self-discipline that kills most emini traders who fail. The breakdown comes from watching what appears to be easy money fly all around uncaptured, when in fact that is just part of the game.

Learn to target specific segments of emini market's normal undulations while ignoring the rest, and it gets somewhat simple. Staying focused on those specific opportunities and waiting (im)patiently with discipline for the next similar setup is critical.




Austin [/B]

Very nice. This is exactly what I had to come to terms with before things started getting better.
 
Having been a successful equity swing trader for many years and switching over to the ES at the beginning of this year, I can tell you from my personal experience that swing trading stocks was relatively easier then daytrading the ES. My equity curve took on a different shape this year :eek: , but I eventually prevailed.

Before I began trading ES I was told that I would be up against bigger, brighter, and faster opponents. Initially not believing that, or at least not really understanding what that meant I moved forward and pressed on. I needed to see it actually in action and watch my futures account shrink before I got it. I then had to retreat a bit and work on my discipline (since I can't make myself bigger, brighter, or much faster). Luckily for me, I was also introduced to market profile before I began trading index futures; and I believe MP is one of the few strategies that leads to consistent profitably on index futures (unless your a good scalper or work on the floor). I don't mean to get side tracked here and hijack this thread with strategy talk, but this was part of my experience moving from stocks to futures.

My response to the question of what makes one better then the other to trade is this: Once you become a profitable index futures trader go meet with your accountant, you will be delighted to hear that index futures get a 60/40 tax treatment, which translates roughly into a 10% tax savings for me. As long as I play the game with a profit, it makes much more sense financially for me to stick with what I'm doing now.
 
Quote from kiwi_trader:

So true Austin. Wait up one night and try the HSI futures contract. More opportunities than a week on a stock and seductive as the sexiest Siren.

But the key to profit is to define and trade your own setup; and let the rest of that wonderful profit flow past because its not for you.

yeah, but hsi is a nice trendin' index; es is amongst the worse choppy shite and prolly the hardest game in town, why not choose qm over it for example...makes no sense to trade es imo.
 
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