Why market wizards are not day traders?

I don't like tax, I don't like government intereference, I don't like Socialism, I don't like Corbyn.

i didn't think many people here like any of those things. naturally. i am with chomsky, i'm here to strengthen the state and overpower corporations. i have strong links to the top of the british government, the corporations and the royal establishment. basically i am the worst nightmare of capitalists!!! and i love it. imagine. and i can day trade. what a combo.

corbyn's definitely going to do that transaction tax. so the day traders WILL need to learn other ways to make money!!
 
the same skills i now use for trading i used to help create corbyn. without a doubt i am one of the kingmakers who started this revolution. SAME skills i use now for trading. lesson in brain-usage - it's a vital skill and can do far more for you than create trading profits. they used to mock me and my ideals, the capitalists i knew and everyone else. today i am laughing at them. i created corbyn, and look at the headless chickens run from him and try desperately to fight him off.

that, dear day traders, is what a woman or man WITH A BRAIN can do. yep. making corbyn was far more of an achievement than any 'profits' made by my opponents

i once watched a 'pringle' shave billions off the markets - it was a pringle corbyn ate and it signified such a damning indictment on the establishment that because of it markets tumbled

yes, a mere pringle can take out this precious market too many here are slaves of!!

be free!! your mind (and soul), not your wallet, is where your wealth is kept.
 
obesity stats:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41953530

example of trader performance from front page of ig.com: "79% of retail investor accounts lose money when trading spread bets and CFDs with this provider."

so those 'presumptions' turn out to be well-researched facts (you're the one making presumptions i suggest)

and you're very naive

as for my statements concerning the health impact on day traders, i have spoken to ex wall street and ex deutschebank programmers and analysts and they have told me about traders on the professional trading floors and about traders of that ilk working at home - and the bottom line is all of these traders, i have been informed, suffer from so much stress - indeed i was chatting to police and they were talking about a friend of theirs who worked in the financial sector as a trader and he too was amaaazingly stressed - the evidence is overwhelming.

anyway. back to the key to trading - ie maths. i am one of the british establishment's best mathematicians. i know what i'm doing. and you're not very cheerful. proof that trading is turning you into a miserable and unhealthy person!!! :)



"You are not objective and probably have a hidden agenda. Why else would you put the link in your profile?"

well actually i am creating an army of activistic hedge funds, it may take decades to reach fruition, thus i have made some key knowledge available free to the public - there is a google ad on the page, true, but if i had 1 million readers all i'd earn is 25,000 pounds, and that's pathetic. i'll make far more out of the trading method. the information is there so that we can build a movement of young, rich, strong, intelligent humans to change the world

i am on this forum because unlike some here i know that most of my knowledge came from watching and listening to what others were saying and doing on the markets, as well as some innate mathematics (since a very very young age, as i mentioned, i have been one of the british establishment's mathematical "geniuses")

you're paranoid and suspicious. trading, particularly day trading, WILL do that to you!!



"Seriously...you kids argue over more bullshit that if you put the same effort into trading that you put into defending what "edge" means or diarrhea drivel of what is a trend, you would have more free time in life and maybe make more money. Some of you have threads littered with long prose and not 1 fucking trade posted."

now you see that is a classic result of trading - a completely agitated and foul-mouthed geezer.

anyway. i find the lectures of Robert Shiller very useful. now there's a man who knows how to trade. without a god damn doubt


"if you put the same effort into trading that you put into defending what "edge" means or diarrhea drivel of what is a trend, you would have more free time in life and maybe make more money."

that's just stupid - making money out of trading is a direct result of huge loads of BRAIN WORK - brain work often benefits from discussion, argument, debate and research

putting 'effort into trading' means playing psychological games with yourself in order to basically pull out profits through verve and will power. this is all very well, a very excellent feat, well done, i've done it myself, but it is harmful and a stupid second-rate way to make money. the best way is stress free. that's a fact. and in 'our' industry that is perfectly possible, so why make yourself suffer other than because your attachment to gratification is too strong for you to be able to live through penury and trade the slow steady way which pays off in the longerterm.

oh and scat-person... i was at a privileged school in britain which is basically a banker factory. it makes bankers and traders. and i'll tell you this - all of the most intelligent students there other than a tiny tiny minority did NOT become bankers they became things like top surgeons or physics professors. most of the bankers from that school came from mediocre maths sets. that's the trading world. it's very far from being a community of the finest mathematical minds. which ought to tell you something about the most commonly used approaches - they are not really the most intelligent possible. why NOT seek what IS the most intelligent road possible? why argue and call me naive and so on? do you think i haven't suffered intensely from the stress of trading, whilst winning, and come to these conclusions like that? otherwise how or why else would i say what i say? trading is extremely tough. the only way to beat it is sheer genius. otherwise the bear eats you every time - whether you win or lose the money.

one thing i like about having (touch wood) quit day trading - i no longer hand over hour after hour to a god damn machine. i can do what i like when i like. and despite that i feel confident about making 20 to 30% per year most years of my life from here on. as for day trading, sure, it's the only way i know which may enable me, with a lot of stress and agony and time lost, to make 100% to 300% a year. the money isn't worth it. the 20 to 30% a year i get while doing little more than 15 minutes of work a year. the 300% a year i'd get while doing about 8 hours a day just about all week days... admittedly in the 8 hours all i'd do is about 10 minutes of actual work, but the machine would own my time, new trades would open every day, my attention would not be able to escape thinking about and being aware of trades, moving stops, opening new trades, etc

so in other words for NO WORK AT ALL you can get a decent 20% per annum at least, for giving up ALL YOUR WAKEFUL HOURS you can get say 10 times that. now why not enjoy life and keep the 20% rather than go for the 300%, become a schizo paranoid nut job full of bile and stress with no control over what you really do with the hours of your life? if i was day trading do you imagine i'd have been able to come here and write all this? and as for my plan to create an army of activistic hedge fund traders... how would i do that if i was busy scraping away at a graph all hours of the god damn day?

like i said, it all comes down to how good you really are at maths. most traders are slackers who want an 'easy' way out and are willing to trade their body's health for that 'easy' way out. but people like shiller are looking at how simple and powerful truths about maths and probability can be applied to the markets in a way which minimises work and maximises profit whilst ideally just eradicating the majority of risk. he does indeed suggest that value stocks are the lifeblood of a traders' profits.

anyway. happy day trading, folks. don't bust a gut, as my biology teacher used to say.

Whoa, buckeroo! Sounds like you might have read a book on trading at some point... then you come storming onto ET, pontificating this and that... telling us all "how it is". Calling me "naive"? That's like calling Chuck Norris a sissy.

Had enough of your bilge already. ON IGNORE!!
 
Market wizards are DEFINITELY not day traders.

But day trading is one of the simpliest way to reach financial freedom.

You don't need to have Phd or a degree in whatever.


You don't need to know complex things like Navier Stokes Equation, Euler's equation,
The Callan Symanzik equation.
Just need to know simple thing like + and -.
You don't even need to know how to * or / !

You don't need hundreds of thousands of dollars to start with.

You don't need to understand complex politics, complex economics.
Just need common sense.


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Market wizards are not day traders.

But day trading is one of the simpliest way to reach financial freedom.

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I just hope no new traders still on demo read this, because 100% of them will think when you say simple you mean easy. And 90% of that lot will fail.
 
Market wizards are not day traders.

But day trading is one of the simpliest way to reach financial freedom.

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Market wizards are not day traders.

But day trading is the fastest way to reach financial freedom. At least if you are one of the rare that succeed.
 
I just hope no new traders still on demo read this, because 100% of them will think when you say simple you mean easy. And 90% of that lot will fail.

excellent ! You got it right. We said SIMPLE, not EASY.
 
excellent ! You got it right. We said SIMPLE, not EASY.

3 daytraders:
  1. A makes 10% a year
  2. B makes 10% a month
  3. C makes 10% a week
For A daytrading is simple
For B daytrading is not so simple
For C daytrading is not simple at all.

So stating that daytrading is simple is at the same time right and wrong.
Everything in life is simple if you put your expectations low enough. But with raising the expectations the complexity grows exponentially.
The same applies for "easy".
 
Whoa, buckeroo! Sounds like you might have read a book on trading at some point... then you come storming onto ET, pontificating this and that... telling us all "how it is". Calling me "naive"? That's like calling Chuck Norris a sissy.

Had enough of your bilge already. ON IGNORE!!

i have been a trader since 2013, laddie boy. before that i was a network programmer building viral websites. chuck norris is an idiot and a weakling. anyone who imagines strength and might are the same thing is an idiot. how many of the best traders here would agree with your implication that only a big treasury can make a profit, that traders without huge money in their account can't succeed. that's false. and the big treasury that's might - you believe might is the answer, that's why you're angry at my words - because i advocate using brains not brawn.

day trading is brawn, pure and simple. anyone here who is good at it knows that. be honest. it is brawn.

anyway, ignore all you like. i'm still here on the market, i'm still here in the media, i'm still here in the background of the corridors of power. ignoring my arguments also will do no good for you - the number of (rich, successful) traders suffering intense gut problems and other related ailments as they grow older continues to rise. the number of traders i have met who are clinically obese isn't going to drop because you ignore my valid arguments

and as for implying that somehow my presence on this forum is - i dunno - antagonistic or whatever - the fact is that this thread is about why, allegedly, many market wizards are not day traders, it's not about why 'day trading is the dream beautiful truth, no matter what anyone says about it' - forgive me for having a different opinion to yours. if you ignore those with different opinions to you HOW COME YOU MAKE ANY MONEY? trading comes down to objectivity and intelligence.

but i forgot, you're ignoring me - you can't take the stress of being a day trader AND of listening to me rant. the combo is too much for you. because day trading makes people stressed inside. deep inside. look up, anyone here who takes me seriously enough to wonder, the stats on the composition of the content of the gut of most westerners today - traders or not - we are all living awful lives. then do proper research into the influence of stress on that biological weakness of ours - and you'll understand what i'm saying

but anyway. i've made the point i was making, and very clearly, and if anyone here can gain from it they will.

i'll tell you how i day trade, though, i mean what's the harm telling it here?... i'd for example take the eur/usd cross and stick it on the hourly chart; then i'd do something as simple as placing a trade in line with the direction of the previous hour, say starting at 10am each day and going on until 5pm - at the start of each hour i'd place that trade with a 10 pip stop. then at the end of the hour if it had moved over 6 pips the right way i'd lock in 2 pips. then at the next hour's end i'd lock in the price minus 10 pips, each time. and let it rise. if the trade lost in an hour i'd open a new trade in whatever direction the overall hour took. in this way i'd collect on numerous wins where the price trended hugely for a bunch of hours. that's what i'd do to day trade and from my experience so far it would work beautifully. only every single hour i'd be checking to see if i had to lock in more profits and open trades. a lot of the time the 2 pips would be all you take and you'd open another one. that's the most frustrating part of it - and if you don't do it you would, with such a method, not win. it's things like that. the irritation of having to just keep opening trades rather than allow loss to build up.

it's pretty 'simple' in a way, and very very difficult to do. and i can do it. but my body can't.


anyway, out of you and me, that-guy, one of us's daily efforts make us incapable of handling more than the stress already on our plate; the other one is me; the way i do it apparently means i don't mind talking to you about these matters (and looking to see what else i can learn, eg from you), the other gets annoyed all too easily!! it is the cool calm trader who gets the fat loot, (edward bernays or reinhold niebuhr, or something, vaguely paraphrased)
 
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