Why is there no looting in Japan?

Most racial mixture occurred during slavery not after it, up until the 1960s. Most states had laws against sexual relationships between blacks and whites until the 1960s and both blacks and whites could be in big trouble for sexual relationships prior to then. It is common knowledge that slave masters often had sex with their slaves in the South, it was very common. At what point did much of the black population end up getting some white genes into their DNA? I know that you are not stupid enough to believe that blacks and whites were regularly dating and having children with each other from 1865 to 1960. You are much smarter than that.

Your problem is that you are so invested in your genetic arguments that you instantly go into attack mode whenever someone points out something that counters it. You do not even take the time to think for a second what exactly you are arguing against. You accuse liberals of mindlessly arguing about racism while ignoring the facts, but you are doing a similar thing in regards to genetics and morality.

You are correct in asserting that the vast majority of whites did not own slaves. I do not in anyway dispute that fact. I am just arguing that those 2% (or less) who did own slaves, did not do so because they were stupid or had less intelligence than those who did not own slaves.

I argue that the Nazis and their allies who murdered the Jews did not do it because of their genetic makeup. They did it because their lack of morals allowed them to. It was a human decision and not based on intelligence levels or DNA sequences. Do you disagree?
 
WTF, seriously? That's what you took from my post? What is it with you guys, none of you can refute any of the many valid points which are thrown at you, so you all just ignore them and hope they go away.

Of course both smart people and stupid people can act immorally, no one ever denied that, and it's not what this debate was about. That's a self evident point, which you turned into a straw man. Not your only straw man in that post by the way... I also never said owning slaves was correlated with intelligence, you killed that straw man too...

I didn't get "caught up" in anything, I just disproved the point you were trying to make. Of course both smart and stupid people can perform immoral actions. However, the nature and frequency of those immoral actions seems to vary between groups. Certainly public safety and order correlate more with a higher group intelligence. Also, in a society full of idiots, it's far easier to get away with something than in a society full of relatively bright people, this lowers the expectations and standards of societies with lower averages. It also drastically shapes the culture and behavioral standards. Hence, we have cognitive features shaping culture, not the other way around. You guys have it backwards, and have put the cart before the horse.

Finally, you end with yet another straw man. I never said genetics was the "whole show". I just said it's highly relevant, which is the fact that many people here are trying to wrestle away from and either ignore or deny.

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phenomena my argument was not about how many whites owned slaves or that others did not also. My argument was that slavery was immoral, but owning them was not a comment on a persons intelligence. My argument is that intelligent people can do very immoral things just like those who are less intelligent.

You get so caught up in your genetic arguments that you often do not seem to even clearly read anyone else's post.

Genetics is very important, but it is not the whole show...human beings have free will and choices to make when it comes to acting in a moral matter.
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Au contraire, in fact the majority of scientists and researchers believe in both; that behavioral and cognitive traits are influenced both by genetics and environment. Are they just trying to "justify their racism"? I guess they are all just in on the big racist conspiracy too... LOL!!! All just trying to keep the black man down...

It's funny, this PC orthodoxy and the way it's holding back scientific progression... It has researchers scared to publish findings which aren't PC... It's much like the way the church used to function with heresy charges, jailing Galileo for claiming that the earth was round... Sometimes I wonder just how much further along we'd be if there was no church jailing or killing people for making scientific progress... I also wonder how much scientific progress we've lost, with our modern day PC orthodoxy, and it's heresy/racism charges.... It's too bad that this PC clergy is holding back the very research which has the potential to extend our lives exponentially, all to appease the imaginary equality deity...
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Your focus on you thinking I believe it is a conspiracy to keep the black man down is telling, and an indictment of your agenda.

The fact is that this has been tried against Israelis( bred to be corrupt), Against the Chinese ( Empire of Japan), against Native Americans( savages).

No phenom, this is warmed over oatmeal, and you know it. Ur an intelligent man, the times we live in may not favor you directly, but there is no need to adopt a philosophy that has failed everywhere it has been tried. Humanity will ultimately sweep u, and all who are like you, aside.
 
Not at all, you're way off. In fact MOST european admixture into the black gene pool has occurred SINCE the 50s.

They also had laws against sexual relations with slaves during slavery. They didn't just make those laws upon abolition. Of course it happened, but I've seen nothing to suggest it was "very common", and certainly nothing to suggest that children resulting from those relationships were "very common". So no, your claim that this is 1) true and 2) "common knowledge" is erroneous. In fact slaves were generally thought of as stupid, dirty, and feral by slave owners, and the public in general. Because of the public perception of blacks at the time, the claim that it was "very common" and is "common knowledge" is erroneous at best.

I'm not "invested" in anything, I just state facts and make observations based upon those facts. Who are you kidding? You haven't pointed out anything which "counters" any of my assertions. The only things which you have "countered" are straw man arguments I never made. You just countered paper tigers which you made up. As I've already said, I never made the claim that intelligent people can not act immorally. So making that assertion doesn't "counter" anything I have said, since I agree with it. I also never said that genetics is the "whole show", you just made that up... I just said it's a highly significant factor in cognitive traits. So, what exactly is it that I'm ignoring? I don't see that I've ignored anything, in fact it's you guys who ignore all the facts that my side lays out. Much to the contrary, I address all the points which you guys lay out, as an honest debater should. It's your own ilk you should point the finger at for ignoring points which aren't to their liking...

With regard to the nazis, certainly there was some pathology at many levels. However, I think many of the nazi cohorts had false beliefs which enabled them to overcome any moral misgivings they might have had. They probably thought of themselves more as someone carrying out an execution, rather than a brutal mass murderer. I think they were stupid enough to buy into stupid ideologies and false beliefs, much like a the people who hunted, "interrogated", convicted, and burned witches... or the people who do similar things today in Muslim nations. Much like the africans who's witch doctors tell them that they can cure their aids by having sex with a white virgin, hence aids infected africans go find a little white girl to rape. Do they believe they are doing something WRONG, or are they just trying to cure their aids? Does it matter???

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Most racial mixture occurred during slavery not after it, up until the 1960s. Most states had laws against sexual relationships between blacks and whites until the 1960s and both blacks and whites could be in big trouble for sexual relationships prior to then. It is common knowledge that slave masters often had sex with their slaves in the South, it was very common. At what point did much of the black population end up getting some white genes into their DNA? I know that you are not stupid enough to believe that blacks and whites were regularly dating and having children with each other from 1865 to 1960. You are much smarter than that.

Your problem is that you are so invested in your genetic arguments that you instantly go into attack mode whenever someone points out something that counters it. You do not even take the time to think for a second what exactly you are arguing against. You accuse liberals of mindlessly arguing about racism while ignoring the facts, but you are doing a similar thing in regards to genetics and morality.

You are correct in asserting that the vast majority of whites did not own slaves. I do not in anyway dispute that fact. I am just arguing that those 2% (or less) who did own slaves, did not do so because they were stupid or had less intelligence than those who did not own slaves.

I argue that the Nazis and their allies who murdered the Jews did not do it because of their genetic makeup. They did it because their lack of morals allowed them to. It was a human decision and not based on intelligence levels or DNA sequences. Do you disagree?
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My "agenda"? LOL!! Just what is my "agenda" precisely? You see "racism" many places it doesn't exist. Yet you can't even tell me what "racism" is, and simultaneously tell me that race doesn't exist? If race doesn't exist, then how the hell does racISM exist? You have yet to explain that one... Nonwhites in America have been programmed to believe they are victims of racism, and it's lurking everywhere trying to oppress them... That any group differences which are observed must be the result of racism or oppression of some kind or another...

"This" has been tried? What has been tried? What do you see me as trying to do? I have no idea what you are talking about.

Adopt a philosophy? What philosophy? My "philosophy" politically is classical liberalism or libertarian nationalism with a pro occidental bent. In terms of general philosophy, I capitulate, and evolve, as we all do... But if I HAD to label myself, I'd currently say I'm some sort of objectivist/Comptean hybrid. I don't understand how that's "warmed over oatmeal", and what's more I'm sure you wont explain what you mean. What?? Are you saying I eat oatmeal because I'm white? :D What, are you some kind of racist? :p

Humanity will "sweep me and people like me"? Sounds like a pretty genocidal prophecy with lots of hate to me... I'll ask again, just for my own sake, because the last time I asked you, true to form, avoided the question. Who are "people like me"?

If you are so damn confident in your positions why can't you defend them? Why do you ignore every point which is made which you don't like? If you are so confident in your views why can't you articulate them? If you think I'm wrong on a given point, then explain how and why... You have failed to do that, and have consistently run and hid whenever explanations have been requested or points antithetical to yours have been made... Instead you just made a few pejorative statements, without addressing any of the substance of the debate, then run and hide...

You act like I'm some kind of hate monger, that I just have pure hatred of non whites when that's so far from the truth... I don't hate blacks. I do have more of an affinity for my own group, then again that's perfectly natural, and there's nothing hateful about that... In much the same way as I would care about my own children, whether or not I determined that someone else's children were objectively "better" in some sense... academically, athletically, whatever, I would still care about my children more, simply because they were mine... In that same way I have a special affinity for my own racial group which I don't have for others. That doesn't mean I hate other racial groups...Yet, you attack any white ethnic affinity or pursuit of group interests as being "racist", while defending the right of any nonwhite group to do the same, and even defend government discrimination against white people. All the while claiming that races don't even exist no less! Care to elaborate on that double standard and contradiction? I'm not holding my breath...


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Your focus on you thinking I believe it is a conspiracy to keep the black man down is telling, and an indictment of your agenda.

The fact is that this has been tried against Israelis( bred to be corrupt), Against the Chinese ( Empire of Japan), against Native Americans( savages).

No phenom, this is warmed over oatmeal, and you know it. Ur an intelligent man, the times we live in may not favor you directly, but there is no need to adopt a philosophy that has failed everywhere it has been tried. Humanity will ultimately sweep u, and all who are like you, aside.
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My "agenda"? LOL!! Just what is my "agenda" precisely? You see "racism" many places it doesn't exist. Yet you can't even tell me what "racism" is, and simultaneously tell me that race doesn't exist? If race doesn't exist, then how the hell does racISM exist? You have yet to explain that one... Nonwhites in America have been programmed to believe they are victims of racism, and it's lurking everywhere trying to oppress them... That any group differences which are observed must be the result of racism or oppression of some kind or another...

"This" has been tried? What has been tried? What do you see me as trying to do? I have no idea what you are talking about.

Adopt a philosophy? What philosophy? My "philosophy" politically is classical liberalism or libertarian nationalism with a pro occidental bent. In terms of general philosophy, I capitulate, and evolve, as we all do... But if I HAD to label myself, I'd currently say I'm some sort of objectivist/Comptean hybrid. I don't understand how that's "warmed over oatmeal", and what's more I'm sure you wont explain what you mean. What?? Are you saying I eat oatmeal because I'm white? :D What, are you some kind of racist? :p

Humanity will "sweep me and people like me"? Sounds like a pretty genocidal prophecy with lots of hate to me... I'll ask again, just for my own sake, because the last time I asked you, true to form, avoided the question. Who are "people like me"?

If you are so damn confident in your positions why can't you defend them? Why do you ignore every point which is made which you don't like? If you are so confident in your views why can't you articulate them? If you think I'm wrong on a given point, then explain how and why... You have failed to do that, and have consistently run and hid whenever explanations have been requested or points antithetical to yours have been made... Instead you just made a few pejorative statements, without addressing any of the substance of the debate, then run and hide...

You act like I'm some kind of hate monger, that I just have pure hatred of non whites when that's so far from the truth... I don't hate blacks. I do have more of an affinity for my own group, then again that's perfectly natural, and there's nothing hateful about that... In much the same way as I would care about my own children, whether or not I determined that someone else's children were objectively "better" in some sense... academically, athletically, whatever, I would still care about my children more, simply because they were mine... In that same way I have a special affinity for my own racial group which I don't have for others. That doesn't mean I hate other racial groups...Yet, you attack any white ethnic affinity or pursuit of group interests as being "racist", while defending the right of any nonwhite group to do the same, and even defend government discrimination against white people. All the while claiming that races don't even exist no less! Care to elaborate on that double standard and contradiction? I'm not holding my breath...
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Okay, fine, let's do this then.

Racism is commonly defined as the systematic oppression of one ethnic group by another, can you please tell me how non-whites are oppressing white in any way.

I do not personally have a racist contruct, but you seem to be "pro-occident". I guess that is to mean you are not "pro-orient". This type of thought is divisive by it very nature, and I was communicating in a the language frame that you most easily seem to grasp. You cannot be pro-humanity, so i do not speak to you in those terms, as it appears to be beyond you at this point.

You admit to having an axe, and that is honest and to be respected, but just how are you being oppressed? Have you been oppressed personally? I cannot say that I have been, other than the occasional "pro-occident" cop, who is an agent of the state. I don't know where you live, but I just don't hear whites taking about this so called white discrimination of yours, and I have been to all white, pick up truck driving, gun loving bars in BFE Illinois, and been around some seriously drunk white folks. Not once, ever, have I encountered your line of thinking, even in the most heated debates about libs and pubs. Many of my friends HATE Obama, and it has nothing to do with his shade. Nope phenomena, in the real world, I just don't see your types.

It is white people, as I have said before who maintain all these social programs that you moan about. I moan about them too, but for entirely different reasons. So phenomena, just what job got taken from you by some Mexican?

And as far as your double standard that you assert, I made many posts that contradict your assertion. Here, have, a little comic relief that will clearly make my point.

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I do have more of an affinity for my own group, then again that's perfectly natural, and there's nothing hateful about that... In much the same way as I would care about my own children, whether or not I determined that someone else's children were objectively "better" in some sense... academically, athletically, whatever, I would still care about my children more, simply because they were mine...
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Not trying to bash you here, I realize most people are like this. However I these are illusions. Why should your child be any more important than any other child? Why should you feel more affinity for someone who looks more like you?

I think the world would be a better place if we would all do away with these illusions.

http://www.pbs.org/race/001_WhatIsRace/001_00-home.htm
 
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I'm not sure you meant it this way, but like someone was saying earlier, looting is less likely because of the homogeneous make-up of Japan. Japanese are less inclined to loot from their neighbor because there neighbor is also Japanese, and therefore 'one of us'. Goes back to a point I've tried to make over and over again. Human beings can do terrible things to people that they see as 'them'....something different than themselves....not one of 'us'. Our goal should be to try and remove those superficial labels and distinctions that we use to separate each other. There's just one human family.
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Hmmm... most of the research data suggests the opposite actually. the vast majority of violent crime in the US is same-race. 84% of the time a white person murders a white person. 90% of the time a black person murders a black person. Many of the most homogeneous countries in the world have the highest crime rates.

Anyone who has lived in countries like Japan and South Korea for a decent amount of time will tell you it has much more to do with culture than race. They are a very respectful culture. As an anecdote, several times I witnesses someone finding a misplaced wallet or dropped credit card/cash on a public street. In every case the person finding it picked it up and called out for the owner first, then placed it somewhere very near that location about chest high and in plain sight so that when the person retraced his steps, he would easily find it.

This is not common behavior in large cities in the US. If anything I would have to turn the wallet into the police because just setting it in plain sight would guarantee that it will be stolen within an hour.
 
Were the looters in Chile racially different from the general population? I'm just asking, I don't know. It appears to me that Chile is quite "homogenous".
 
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