Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

M4-1 said:
...a valid method in itself will not allow one to hold on to the money that is made..most lose it back...and in a very short time compared to how long it took to make it...

so...maybe the obvious is not that obvious at all :)
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If most lost it back - surely the method isn't valid anyhow?

This thread is posted in the Risk Management sub-forum. Possibly for a reason.
 
Laissez Faire said:
If most lost it back - surely the method isn't valid anyhow?

This thread is posted in the Risk Management sub-forum. Possibly for a reason.
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this is where Time comes in again..the method can be valid for the longer term..which most are as prices have to go up to keep the economies going..but in the short term they will just not work

to work in the short term..you need to understand what the Obvious is..

btw..the long term only works if the profits are cashed in..i know..back in 2007 i learned the hard way..only to discover..of course..is that all i had to do was WAIT..but..when you overtrade and the shit hits the fan..you do not think rationally..and make some silly mistakes that can cost you a lot of money!
 
M4-1 said:
this is where Time comes in again..the method can be valid for the longer term..which most are as prices have to go up to keep the economies going..but in the short term they will just not work

to work in the short term..you need to understand what the Obvious is..

btw..the long term only works if the profits are cashed in..i know..back in 2007 i learned the hard way..only to discover..of course..is that all i had to do was WAIT..but..when you overtrade and the shit hits the fan..you do not think rationally..and make some silly mistakes that can cost you a lot of money!
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M3,

Interesting distinction between long-term and short term.

Long-term must apply to HODL'ng(+cashing out at some point as mentioned), and works as the market(stocks,indexes, etc) must continue to go up for economies to work?

For one to successfully trade something like currencies(which don't necessarily go up, or down for that matter), they would need to know the obvious?
 
Pelt said:
M3,

Interesting distinction between long-term and short term.

Long-term must apply to HODL'ng(+cashing out at some point as mentioned), and works as the market(stocks,indexes, etc) must continue to go up for economies to work?

For one to successfully trade something like currencies(which don't necessarily go up, or down for that matter), they would need to know the obvious?
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i would say that once the symbol fulfils the..

LR x+ AO

then it can be traded successfuly in the short term.. once the volatility is not too erratic!
 
It was once said that the inverse of LR was HIGH PROFIT. Also, that the inverse of HIGH RISK was LOW PROFIT.

It was also mentioned that volatility is nothing but the SIZE of a bar on a chart.

It is also been said that NRB->WRB and vice versa.

So "the obvious" is related to trading in the short term, successfully trading in the short term is related to volatility not being too erratic...

What is the relationship between Low Risk and Volatility?

Are these reasonable questions?
 
Pelt said:
It was once said that the inverse of LR was HIGH PROFIT. Also, that the inverse of HIGH RISK was LOW PROFIT.

It was also mentioned that volatility is nothing but the SIZE of a bar on a chart.

It is also been said that NRB->WRB and vice versa.

So "the obvious" is related to trading in the short term, successfully trading in the short term is related to volatility not being too erratic...

What is the relationship between Low Risk and Volatility?

Are these reasonable questions?
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yes..look at it this way..

i am a new to trading..i know absolutely nothing about trading..and i want to find out.. without costing me too much..if i can make some money trading

so far we have..

LR..happy with this as it is low risk

AO which we now call AmO..happy with this once i know how to get it

and if we add a third one..

AdV.. adequate volatility..happy with this once i know how to recognise it

all 3 must be obtained from one symbol..as that is the simplest way..

so..now i am told to look at the symbol MES

does it offer LR...YES

does it offer AmO..YES

can i recognize AdV..YES

so..now..as per previous discussions..all i need to do is look at the other equation..

T= M

in the end i am faced with..

MES = (LR +AmO + AdV) + (T=M) = make some money

can i understand this..YES..can i place low risk trades..YES..is there ample opportunity..YES..is there adequate volatility..YES..are there best times to trade it..YES

so..why am i not doing it..simple..it is so Obvious that i can't SEE it :)
 
M4-1 said:
MES = (LR +AmO + AdV) + (T=M) = make some money

can i understand this..YES..can i place low risk trades..YES..is there ample opportunity..YES..is there adequate volatility..YES..are there best times to trade it..YES

...it is so Obvious that i can't SEE it :)
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In continuing w/the socratic method...

LR: How does one define a Low Risk opportunity? Is it decided by a given market, or is it defined by the individual?

AmO + AdV: Does AdV not imply AmO... I.e., isn't the opportunity relative to the volatility? More specifically, as long as the thing you are interested in has an adequate volatility, won't the opportunity be there?

As to the previous query, What is the relationship between Low Risk and Volatility? How does one go about figuring the "LR" part of the equation?
 
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