Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

I do like the saying "use the box to save your $OX":)

J_S

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I would not have traded the NQ, nor the QQQ, but looking at the QQQ chart there were a few moves that did work out fairly ok for the little boxes.

I think the idea behind the box might have been to show how price can move (repeatedly) within a certain range within a certain timeframe?

Hindsight is a great thing, and it is always a lot easier after the facts, but I do think there is enough consistency in certain markets for one to set targets based on measured moves - however, I would not make a trading decision based solely on lines or boxes - to me they are but tools to help identify entry / exit levels.

It will be interesting to see if the boxes are of any value tomorrow, or will a new set be required!

I don't think I am giving away anything here, am I:rolleyes:

J_S

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Fine, no more beating around the bush, this site is in need of a gem and I'm happy to provide it. Maybe it will rid this place of a few gurus. And remember these are guidelines, I'll leave it to the trader to figure out the logic. :D

If price is going up on increasing volume, the short-term trader should look to go short. If price is going up on decreasing volume, the short-term trader should look to go long. Reversed for downward price movement. The most important factor is liquidity at the market, while extensive volume analysis isn't necessary it is the foundation of how price moves.

FS

Hi,

The OP stated repeatedly that it was not volume that they were referring to, they did use volume, but in a different way to most of us.

I'm in Mysteron's camp, most of us come away with a different concept of what "the obvious" is.

Having said that, I've got my own concept, it may differ from yours.... feel free to disagree. I won't state what I think explicitly, but I'll point to what I think may be some of many clues..

1. "The obvious" is, as they stated many times, is..well...Obvious. NYSE states that he has "stated that point, many many times". It's right in front of you. Its in any chart, but, you need to "rub your eyes" and look. It operates straight in front of your eyes, right out in the open.

2. But, as with the thread on the see through Box, you need to "train the eye" to see it. In order to train the eye, you need to be still and watch and think. Forget everything else you've been told or learned..and just watch what is going on..question what is happening, why?

Watch this short video on watching and thinking...forget about any technique the author uses, that's not the point, just note how he quietly observes what is going on...

http://marketgeometry.com/blog/reading-price-action-shak daily

3. Refer to this thread, particularly to TO, TE, note the pictures they posted, why did they post a picture of a man pointing to the market, a gondola sinking, the cover of a book, the intraday charts, what do they have in common?...why did TO take that option trade where he did?

4. Refer to the thread by MrCharts, he tells you where to look. Refer to the thread on maps by The General who shows you how to look (well, one way).

5. Refer to this thread where TO/TE are drawing straight lines, why did price come back to those points?

6. All the other stuff you've learned is out there for a reason...why?

7. A personal observation: don't go down the path of believing they are talking about a magical formula or the like,they are not, just watch price and what it does...

Regards
Bogan22
 
Fine, no more beating around the bush, this site is in need of a gem and I'm happy to provide it. Maybe it will rid this place of a few gurus. And remember these are guidelines, I'll leave it to the trader to figure out the logic. :D

If price is going up on increasing volume, the short-term trader should look to go short. If price is going up on decreasing volume, the short-term trader should look to go long. Reversed for downward price movement. The most important factor is liquidity at the market, while extensive volume analysis isn't necessary it is the foundation of how price moves.

FS

That is a very dangerous statement to make without solid proof, as it may cost someone a good deal of money to discover that the guideline is not as straightforward as one may think it is!

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/technical/02/010702.asp

Never believe what is written to be an absolute truth, just because it is written!

Todays strategy needs to be different to what it was some years ago, for obvious reasons such as advancements in digital electronics and speed of data calculation and transmission.

I will say what I think is far more important, again, and that is - find out what the big boys are doing and learn how to SEE what they are up to.

Luckily enough, most programming is still done by humans today (well for now anyway), and humans being humans will reference historical information as the basis for future design.

If you are lucky enough to know a top paid programmer for one of the big players, and get him pissed drunk one night, he might just let a few KEY things slip that could save you endless waste of time and money!

J_S
 
Fine, no more beating around the bush, this site is in need of a gem and I'm happy to provide it. Maybe it will rid this place of a few gurus. And remember these are guidelines, I'll leave it to the trader to figure out the logic. :D

If price is going up on increasing volume, the short-term trader should look to go short. If price is going up on decreasing volume, the short-term trader should look to go long. Reversed for downward price movement. The most important factor is liquidity at the market, while extensive volume analysis isn't necessary it is the foundation of how price moves.

FS

Thanks FS. You are the first poster I've seen on the board since the OP to suggest doing the exact opposite of classic TA. Now I just need to figure out if you're full of shit. o_O

On the surface it makes sense. Higher volume means bigger traders with deeper pockets. Naturally the market would have to move away from such levels. On the right path?

BD
 
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I don't think I am giving away anything here, am I:rolleyes:

J_S

J_S
I get the impression that you are very smart and are simply playing a role of being uninformed.

I'll ask you a question, do you believe that there really is an "obvious" secret?
 
The Obvious secret: screen time, screen time as Time = Money. There is no short cut but only paths that lead the lazy (i.e. the one that does not do the work and expect to find a holy grail in books) to desperation...
 
well , if you would see the market as an entity like and EGO , then the most obvious thing is , that its afraid to die! it needs to stay away from the flatline....

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