Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

Howdy Note;

If the worm has no meaning to you at this point – set is aside (meaningless is worthless) (or use em for fishing)

I’ll answer your questions if you like – but my answers will be worthless as well – to you

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My suggestion;

Step back and think through the actual mechanics of trading that occurs in the mkt (meaning not your trading - but the trading going on in the mkt)

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If you've read this thread – then you've read where NRB lead to WRB.., and vise versa

Combine that, with this;

That see saw – you see – what is actually occurring… and what comes after a see saw

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And please don’t play 40 questions with me – my goal is to get you – thinking for you

But I will answer thought out questions – at least as best as I can

Btw – no one will ever KNOWS who will/ is going to win… that is why we use stops - with every trade - period


RN




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Hi RN / TO / or NYSE or anyone else who really got the awakening,

This is my first post to this thread and even this forum. but i have been reading this post line by line and giving my best to understand what you guys are talking about. I am trying to learn trading from last
5-6 years, i have a full time job though but still whenever i find time i try to learn and this thing is really bothering me in my head.

I need help from some of you guys, to help me solve this puzzle.

what i understand is price will balance between supply and demand, it will be like a see saw, whichever has higher weight will win. and price will be in that battle for some time until one wins.

problem is that i don't know who will win. so i should adjust my entries on some specific points, either short or long, so that if i my entry is stopped out, then i should not loose much.

This is my understanding, but from the post of NYSE and others, seems like he is talking about a worm, which shines in all its glory, and somehow NYSE "SEES" him. and then ride with the worm.

so how do i know where that worm is, or there can be so many worms which are popping out. so how do i know which worm will rise to glory.

I hope some one can answer this or at least help in finding that worm.
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Quote from TheMagican:

They are clueless themselves,don`t bother.Well,except for the NYSE,maybe.
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Yup.. I clueless.., ignorant.., and a dumbass - every day


btw;

Would you like me to share your message w/ TO... and NY



RN
 
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Mysteron,

Best would be to know the obvious :)
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Then set aside your opinions/ prejudices - and simply observe the mkt do what it does


Then think about the actions necessary (from the different participants) to make the mkt do the above

RN
 
Quote from Redneck:

Howdy Note;

If the worm has no meaning to you at this point – set is aside (meaningless is worthless) (or use em for fishing)

I’ll answer your questions if you like – but my answers will be worthless as well – to you

=====================

My suggestion;

Step back and think through the actual mechanics of trading that occurs in the mkt (meaning not your trading - but the trading going on in the mkt)

==============

If you've read this thread – then you've read where NRB lead to WRB.., and vise versa

Combine that, with this;

That see saw – you see – what is actually occurring… and what comes after a see saw

=======================

And please don’t play 40 questions with me – my goal is to get you – thinking for you

But I will answer thought out questions – at least as best as I can

Btw – no one will ever KNOWS who will/ is going to win… that is why we use stops - with every trade - period


RN
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Sir,
First of all thanks to you to make an effort to teach me.
This thread is very interesting, i have been reading this thread and i am really happy today to at least i am able to post here, and
kind of converse with people of your caliber, to whom i was just reading till this time.

this happiness is not because of i am seeing aspect to make some money but because there are so many thought full people in the world. who know something more,and also willing to help.

I will think tonight and about what you suggested.

thanks
J
 
Quote from Redneck:

Yup.. I clueless.., ignorant.., and a dumbass - every day


btw;

Would you like me to share your message w/ TO... and NY



RN
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no one doubts it,apparently.

feel free.you could share it with TO,BO,KO,UN or even with the bitchko sisters.
 
Quote from Redneck:

Then set aside your opinions/ prejudices - and simply observe the mkt do what it does


Then think about the actions necessary (from the different participants) to make the mkt do the above

RN
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Hi RN,
As per your suggestions i thought about Nrb and WRB a bit, and seems like i am getting idea what you are talking about, and how does market works. it is something like a picture of bees which nyse posted and asked that do you see a nose here.
meanwhile i also came upon some question being asked in this forum about what should be the low risk entry and was given a chart
and this was the entries provided by user pushpull.
Here is the chart with his entries.
so this was the low risk entry posted by
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=3335668

I have attached the chart where "I" think that entries should be.

I can see the difference between his approach and my approach, but i am not sure if i am correct or not. the problem i see with his way is how will he know the direction, i mean which way he is going to trade. he for sure will get big move in either direction as but if i go with my approach i know for sure that what the direction MAY BE.
 

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Hi RN,

Here is the chart with his entries.
so this was the low risk entry posted by

I have attached the chart where "I" think that entries should be.

I can see the difference between his approach and my approach, but i am not sure if i am correct or not. the problem i see with his way is how will he know the direction, i mean which way he is going to trade. he for sure will get big move in either direction as but if i go with my approach i know for sure that what the direction MAY BE.
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Morning Note, (assuming you’re located in the western hemisphere)


So I see two quasi questions;

I’m not sure if I am correct or not (on my entries)


But if I go with my approach – I know for sure that what the direction MAY BE

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If I have these wrong, let me know please


Btw, notice any irony in this sentence;

I know, for sure, what may be

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As for entries;

Between the two charts you posted – which has the lowest risk entries – and why

(Our first job is risk management)



As for direction;

First.., we never know – allow me to repeat this – we never know…. So the best we can do is go with the probabilities

What tools could you utilize to identify the *near-term* probable direction (easy to go crazy with this one – don’t, simple is always best… also..., easy to use conflicting tools..., again – keep it simple)


• *Near-term* means – near-term within your chosen trading TF (a little heat is okay, a lot / or excessive heat is never acceptable)

• A lot/ excessive is defined in two ways – excessive to the amount we are trying to make… and, excessive to the net balance in our trading account (meaning net out the leverage)


Risk on each trade needs to be equal to sometimes…, less than the vast majority of times – our targeted reward – AND/ BUT – risk must never be greater than (otherwise mathematically we are doomed to failure)

Risk on each trade also needs to be a very small % of our net account – as we may need to take some number of losses before reaping the reward (this does improve with experience, unless we’re having a bad day)

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Aside - a few facts;

We must all find our own way to trade… along with the tools we use (no two traders will ever be exactly alike – AND, everything works, at times – and everything does not work, at times)

We need a business plan.., a trading plan, and a methodology

No matter how we decide to trade…, or what tools we use – never lose sight of the fact – price is driven by people… by their emotions…, by simple buying and selling… It is never driven by a chart, line(s) or indicator(s)…. Our job is to detach and take advantage of this, while protecting our ass always (personally I think it is best to understand how the mkt actually works – but that is best left for a whole other conservation)

Learning how to trade – easy as pie…

Mastering the ability to execute…, as a trader…, and as required – is where many can’t…, and ultimately fail

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Please focus on addressing my two questions – once we get them answered to your satisfaction we’ll move on in whatever direction you like

RN
 
To my mind The OBVIOUS is THE OBVIOUS and THE NOT SO OBVIOUS is THE NOT SO OBVOIOUS hence THE OBVIOUS can not be THE NOT SO OBVIOUS and the other way around.
So how about we call it quits on this one here and vote it THE BEST THREAD EVER!
I already gave it maximum number of stars. There is another thread under way called:
THE SURE THING IS NOT SO SURE. All participants are kindly requested to give it a boost while slowly abandoning this one. Thank you and amen.
 
Vinc

Though I think highly of this thread - to label it the best would be wrong

For each thread, we will get out of it - exactly what we put into it... same as trading

Some think this thread worthless - and I'll be the first to defend their right to do so

imho - there is no best thread... like there is no best way to trade

To each our own Sir

RN
 
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